Hello George,

>GP>Look at the NAME of the movement, that's all the CLUE you need:
>GP>ZIONist -- as in MOUNT ZION (as in IN ISRAEL!))

>LL>Religious propaganda is not historical fact.

GP>The historical fact is that religious zealotry(focused on Mount Zion)
GP>initiated the whole movement. . .

Before the age of civilization there were nomads.  And nomads went
wherever they felt like going.  Usually wherever they could find food.
And women.  And then some nomads got together and formed a community.
And that community built the pyramids, located in present-day Egypt.
Now, it could be that the Jews got the Great Pyramid confused with
Mount Zion.  After all, the Jews did help build the Great Pyramid.

>LL>Modern arhaeologists agree that Egyptians and Canaanites inhabited
>LL>Palestine from the earliest recorded days of history, 3000 B.C. to

GP>it wasn't "Palestine" until after the Romans stole it from
the Jews and
GP>renamed it after Israel's old enemies, the Philistines. . .

The land of Palestine has always been the same, regardless of what name
the land of Palestine was called.

>LL>1700 B.C.  The Egyptians and Canaanites were followed by the other
>LL>occupiers, such as the Hyksos, Hittites, and Philistines.  It's
>LL>funny that the Hebrew period of rule came LATER, starting only in
>LL>1020 B.C. and lasting until 587 B.C.  Then Palestine was overrun

GP>There's archaelogic evidence putting the Hebrews there ca. 3000BCE

Proto-Canaanites, perhaps.  But not Hebrews.  The Patriarchs were not
Hebrews.  Moses was.  But Moses was born much later than 3000 BC.  And
besides, Abraham was from Iraq.  Not Palestine.  And Moses was from
Egypt.  Not Palestine.

>LL>by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Egyptians, and Syrians.
>LL>Then came the Hebrew Maccabeans, who held partial rule in 164 B.C.
>LL>A century later, in 63 B.C., the Roman Empire conquered Palestine,
>LL>including Jerusalem, and destroyed the Jews' beloved Second Temple
>LL>in 70 A.D., scattering the remaining Jews to the winds.

>LL>IOW, the Jews only controlled Palestine for about 600 years of the
>LL>past 5000 years of Palestine's recorded history.  Hardly a claim of
>LL>legitimate ownership.  Especially since the Canaanites, Egyptians,
>LL>Muslims, or Romans controlled Palestine for a much longer period
>LL>of time.

GP>I wasn't talking "controlled", I was talking
"maintained a presence"

In that case, all of Palestine belongs to the Arabs, since they were
there first.  ;)

>LL>The Jews never controlled any part of Palestine during the past 2000
>LL>years, except for the period 1948 to present.  IOW, less than 60
>LL>years.

GP>I didn't say "controlled"; the Arabs didn't
"control" it either -- and
GP>also did not maintain permanent habitations there, unlike the Jews, who,
GP>although lacking international recognition, considered it "home"

Really?  Egyptians never controlled Palestine?  Canaanites never
controlled Palestine?  Hyksos never controlled Palestine?  Hittites
never controlled Palestine?  Philistines never controlled Palestine?
Assyrians never controlled Palestine?  Babylonians never controlled
Palestine?  Greeks never controlled Palestine?  Syrians never
controlled Palestine? Hebrew Maccabeans never controlled Palestine?
Romans never controlled Palestine?  Muslims never controlled Palestine?
Christians never controlled Palestine?  What makes you think the Jews
have an exclusive claim to the land of Palestine?  What makes you think
that any other group has an exclusive claim to the land of Palestine?
Why is it that you want the Jews to have everything for themselves,
even though the Jews have no exclusive claim to any of the land of
Palestine?

>LL>born in Palestine.  So what you are saying, or suggesting, is that
>LL>a handful of "wandering Jews" created the state of
Israel, intended
>LL>to be for Jews only.

GP>Since when did I say that? Israel has never, since 1948 been
"Jews only"
GP>-- it's a DEMOACRACY (look that up!) the only one in the Middle East,
GP>ever!

Israel is a theocracy, and no democracy.  A Zionist theocracy, having
nothing to do with religious Judaism.  Of course, the Zionists use
Judaism as an excuse to exclude non-Jews from participating in their
"democracy".

--Lee


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