TIP: Click on subject to list as thread! ANSI
echo: philos
to: CLARENCE HOGAN
from: JOHN BOONE
date: 1998-01-01 17:22:00
subject: Black and White [2/2]

 On 12-31-97 Clarence Hogan wrote to John Boone... 
 
        Hello Clarence and thanks for writing, 
  
 CH>  JB> I am afraid, this exhausts my ability within this arena  
 CH>  JB> to explain to you -what- I had been attempting to express  
 CH>  JB> that IMO it is not necessary within the Christian faith for  
 CH>  JB> us know evil in order for us to do good, we only need to know  
 CH>  JB> Christ.  It was my understanding that it was your contention  
 CH>  JB> that we must also know evil in order to know good.   
    
 CH>  Most certainly, for if all one ever knows is good and through 
 CH>  ignorance, error, mistake or whatever does an bad/evil thing,  
 CH>  just how in Heaven's Name would they ever be aware of it?  For 
 
  Logically, the wouldn't, but they would be aware they did a 
not-good thing. 
  In the situation you describe, the individual knows good.  I 
translate it to mean, for any action of that individual, the individual 
is able to associate that action with GOOD or NOT-GOOD.  Please 
notice, NOT GOOD -includes- evil. 
  
 CH>  let us say that you did the deed and I pointed out to you that 
 CH>  what you did was bad/evil, would not your first question be... 
 CH>  "What is bad/evil?"? 
    
  Perhaps, however, what would I say if you said, I did a NOT-GOOD 
thing?  I wouldn't have any questions assuming of course I 
am able to determine -good- or -not-good-. 
 CH>  JB> Let me try to explain it using set theory.  Are there any 
 CH>  JB> Christ like acts that are not good?  IMO, no, meaning all  
 CH>  JB> Christ like acts get mapped or associated with good.  
    
 CH>  Well, since ya' dun answered your own question, my participation 
 CH>  is not necessary, right?  :) 
   
  It was a rhetorical question and one I meant for you to ask
yourselve. 
 
 CH>  JB> Please notice, this implies it is -sufficient-  (please notice 
 CH>  JB> this is different than saying it is -necessary-) only for us  
 CH>  JB> to know Christ.  
    
 CH>  Nope, sorry, didn't notice that, for it is BOTH sufficient and 
 CH>  necessary IMHO! 
   
  I agree. But please notice, given this, it is not -NECESSARY- 
for us to know -evil-. 
  Jesus Christ is sufficient enough a measure for us to use 
to determine -good- from -not-good-. 
  
 CH>  JB> However, it says nothing about -other- acts (non-Christ like) 
 CH>  JB> which may be -good- as well.  
   
 CH>  Why in Heaven's Name should it, for according to your 
 CH>  postulation, if it is also good and not bad/evil, it doesn't 
 CH>  need to be mentioned, correct? 
 
  Hmm, not sure.  What I am saying Christ is sufficient for 
us to know -good- from -not good-. 
 
Take care, 
John 
 
___ 
 * OFFLINE 1.54 
--- Maximus 3.01
---------------
* Origin: Strawberry Fields (1:116/5)

SOURCE: echomail via exec-pc

Email questions or comments to sysop@ipingthereforeiam.com
All parts of this website painstakingly hand-crafted in the U.S.A.!
IPTIA BBS/MUD/Terminal/Game Server List, © 2025 IPTIA Consulting™.