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 CH> 0n (03 Oct 07) PETER COGGON wrote to CINDY HAGLUND...
 
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 CH> It's so easy in the wild. In the wolf pack. When a pack leader shows a
 CH> weakness hie or she is challenged by another alpha female or make
 CH> directly.
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 CH> The challenged member either as in the case of old age will readily
 CH> submit to the challenger (lays down on his side). And life goes on.
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 CH> If the Challenged member is acting erratic breaking the pack's
 CH> rules/boundaries he/she will often fight to the death or if only
 CH> wounded driven out of the pack.
  
Isn't that so simple.  No problems and life goes on...
 
 PC> Try a BullDog... now there is low everything...until you need him.
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 CH> Yeah and in some cases, at your throat.

  In some cases?   The only cases are those idiots who mess with the
breed.   

 CH> Nod. :) They do. A lot of people who run with their dogs don't
 CH> realize the dog does need to stop. And not just to check things out
 CH> but to catch his breath because dogs do not sweat as we do.
 CH> They only sweat through their mouth/nose/pads of feet.

Yes ... we always stop.  It is done whether or not we both need to.

 CH> When a pack is in migration (quickly moving/hunting) nobody stops
 CH> to sniff and explore. On the way back after they've eaten they do
 CH> that. 
 CH> So when we go for a walk .. half way migrate, explore on the way back.
 CH> ....

 CH> Must have been a very gooood dog too. :) I do think that some people
 CH> get carried away about dogs being around babies but you know it is
 CH> scary when you read about a rotie who stole a newborn out of the
 CH> grandparents arms. :( Shook it like a rag doll.

  I have read about them too.  I then ask the history of the dog, and
then the bloodline.    Of course some dogs are not the right type
for this job.

 CH> I remember when we introed our first dog our newborn daughter. We had
 CH> not read nay books on this. We just did what was well instinct. YOu
 CH> sit down. The dog is sitting a few feet away. calm. YOu then invite
 CH> the dog to come to the baby. The dog sniffs and is t  told to sit
 CH> down... YOu let the dog know that the baby is part of you, the baby is
 CH> a pack leader too.

   When newborns in our family were introduced to the dog, it was usually
one on one.  Of course that was our family then, and we knew our dog's
bloodline and history, and breeder.   Nowadays  we've had family members
with babys storm out of the house, because baby got a kiss from Rusty.
Good Grief...they know the dog is here, yet make it a point of whatever
to leave.  Good excuse.  Thats society for you...and how they breed
dogs today.

 CH> Most dogs I have known are very protective of children. They're like
 CH> nannies... :) But there's alway some who are not. Who are aggressive
 CH> domineering and regard the baby as an intruder. A weak one. And as
 CH> prey. 
 CH> ........

  Yes ..  and I have been knocked down by them all too on the farm as
a child.    I always knew I was an intruder, and I always dealt with
the dog before the family on my visits.   Prey?  Before yes...afterwards
no.

 CH> What's your opine on what is called ESP (website by this name) re
 CH> early sterilization. After reading about it and asking a few friends
 CH> it does seem to be better for the dog as well as conveinent for us.
 CH> Especially with the females.

   I think with the terrible mixed breeding, and problems with bloodlines
that both male and female should be sterilized.    I am fedup with seeing
pups un-wanted and then destroyed.

   When it comes to the time for it to be carried out.  There are
ideas on this which since I am not a breeder I can not have an
opinion on, as I am not in this position of having it done,
as Rusty was done in the Society hospital at the time he was
there as a pup after being rescued.

   On the farm they used to allow a female her first litter then
have the procedure done.   If this has changed, I have no idea.
My one female dog, a beagle ...well I rescued her from her being
hit by a streetcar, and NO ONE claimed her.    She lived too a

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