-=> Quoting Paul Andinach to Fred Austin <=-
 
 FA> As I have said before, some credible
 FA> people have investigated,have  went after these events, have gone in as
 FA> skeptics, and  have come  out  with a different viewpoint.
 PA> They believe the evidence is sufficient.
 PA> I don't, and that is my decision to make.
    Well Paul, you can quote in circles, it does come back to who you  feel 
is credible.  And as I have said before, that is why I said there is no one 
credible enough on this planet,those sweeping statements, or post a list of
who you consider credible people.  Leave out politicians.....
 FA> So skeptics, believers,all  are  in the dark.  That is the most likely
 FA> current situation.
 PA> On what do you base your statement that that is the most likely
 PA> current situation? 
    Are we.  Since everything is not credible,people are mistaken, all data 
is most likely false, are you  going to  suggest the  opposite. Or  are you 
just dealing in an exercise in debating...
 FA>                                                            At least on
 FA> the pro side we can still take a person as being reasonably credible,
 FA> in other words if Bill the guy next  door says  "hey, I  saw something
 FA> odd last night" we will at least listen. You guys  on the  other hand
 FA> believe in no one.
 PA> If the guy next door chose to tell me that he saw something odd
 PA> last night, I would listen. But "something odd" is not necessarily an
 PA> alien spaceship full of little grey men. 
    Ok, fair enough.  So then he tells you he saw a damned alien ship  etc, 
with little guys etc, in some field somewhere or in his backyard.  Now what 
do you do? Ah, move.....
 FA> But then the world has long ago displayed the symptoms of
 FA> people  not listening to people.   A sad  reality.  But  fact. 
 FA> Otherwise  the  world wouldn't be the place it is today.
 PA> Quite possibly true. But not necessarily relevant to UFOs.
    Well whether its UFO's or the guy next door practicing satanic rituals,
what's the diff....   
 FA> So if it is all delusion you can at least take solace in the  fact
 FA> that your rational world is decaying, the 10,000 fools are multiplying
 FA> like jack rabbits, either way, alien or delusional, its  not a  pretty
 FA> picture......
 PA> It is possible for perfectly sane, rational people to make
 PA> mistakes, see things that aren't there, and remember things that never
 PA> happened. 
    Better watch out for the logic,  because you  are now  heading for  the 
question of how sane are you really, a serial killer will tell you right to 
your face, he thinks there is nothing wrong with what he does, he feels  he 
is perfectly sane.  To tell the truth I know no one who is "sane" that ever
saw  something  that  wasn't  there.  Unless  under the  influence of  some 
narcotic.  So  you are  subscribing to  the theory  that 10,000  people are 
mistaken.  A weak theory.   But it  is all  yours.  I  will take  the other 
side, I will give  it that  perhaps 3  or 4  of the  above 10,000,  are not 
delusional.  You are giving me 10,000 to 1 odds.  I hope you are right.....
Happy Trails,
Fred.
 Internet: Fred.Austin@juxta.mn.pubnix.net   
           Fred.Austin@sphinx.hughestech.com 
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