JOHNJWILSON -> ED HULETT wrote:
 ->> I, for instance, have an entire life separate of this echo. I have many
 J> things
 ->> that I can stay busy doing. With the attack dog gone for however long he
 ->> decides, I am able to forget this silly place.

 J> Ah. So that's what kept you here.

Not entirely. I had hoped there would be more peaceful discussions going on.

 J> Opposite particles clash and become non-existent. :-)

Something has to remain.

 TR>>> I can't help but notice neither you or your hateful friend have
 J> said one
 TR>>> single word against Islam of any note, even since the day of 9/11.

 J> 9/11 didn't cause me to 'hate Islam' Or Iranians, Iraqi's ...it did cause
 J> me to ponder what it would be like to have a life with no hope for any
 J> future and being convinced that suicide was a holy act lavishly rewarded.

The problem with that is the 9/11 terrorists were educated men.

 J> Damn! A lot of minds are taught that, believe that, will act on that. It
 J> seems that nowhere can you be where being lied to is out of fashion. Plato
 J> thought it was necessary 'the noble lie'... A memorable quote from Soren
 J> Kierkegaard "Language is the art of concealing thought."
Take THAT, media!
 J> :-)

That must be why the Obama administration is renaming everything. They
couldn't sell the cap-and-trade tax, so they are looking for a more likable
name. They deny the charge of bringing back the fairness doctrine and then
sneak it in the back door with a new name of "diversity in
community." Also, we can't continue the war on terror so he renames it
"overseas contingency operation."

Orwell was just 25 years early.

 ->> Well, there's that thing about tolerance and diversity they keep going
 J> on
 ->> about. Although, I haven't witnessed either WRT Christianity.

 J> 2 points there for Mormons.


 TR>>> radical religion, it is a mind-set that calls for the death and.or
 ->> destruction
 TR>>> of anyone who does not convert to its backward, repressive tenets,
 J> you
 TR>>> immediately start screaming `intolerance! Bigotry!'

 J> For scores of years Muslims, Jews and Christians have lived peacefully,
 J> side by side...(e.g., Turkey, Spain) A time of  different commerce, power,
 J> greed, politics...

Muslims are forcing Christians out of every country in the Middle East and
Southern Asia. Even in South East Asia.


 ->> There's that tolerance and diversity thing again. Only for thee and not
 J> for me
 ->> and all that.


 TR>>> But.........(aside: get ready folks) if the 19 hijackers had all
 J> been
 ->> radical
 TR>>> *Christians*....

 J> .and the religious fanatics who plant car bombs in public
 TR>>> market areas and kill sometimes dozens of innocent people in one
 J> single
 TR>>> event.....you people would be screaming for blood!

 J> Kinda hard to be angry at the people of Jonestown.

Jonestown was mass murder and mass suicide. Jim Jones wasn't a
"radical Christian" he was a megalomaniac.


 ->> Bingo.

 J> Unbingo.
 ->
 TR>>> You say nothing about religious radicals who set up rocket and
 J> mortar
 ->> launch
 TR>>> sites inside civilian homes, in residential areas, and launch those
 ->> rockets
 TR>>> and mortars at civilian and military targets without regard to
 J> which is
 TR>>> which.

 ->> They are just "defending" themselves.

 J> If you believe that non-Muslims are infidels with no souls - and of no
 J> worth to Allah whatever, killing them causes no regret whatever. If it
 J> results in hatred to them so much the better; so much more reason to
 J> kill...

Christianity outgrew that mindset centuries ago.


 TR>>> Yet, you scream for a president's or a secretary of defense's head
 J> if a
 ->> U.S.
 TR>>> military attack on a known terrorist launch site happens to kill a
 J> few
 ->> civilians.

 ->> Another bingo.

 J> Another unBingo.
 J> A wild exaggeration to make an exaggerated point.

Of course, that stopped when The One was coronated

 J> **************

 J> (Limbaugh, Falwell)

 ->> Their mere existence is enough for the Sauers of the world to cheer
 J> their
 ->> death.

 J> Their power and influence is slightly scary. But, hey, there's always
 J> someone if you want to spend your time looking for scary :-)

You have to be joking. Their "power and influence" wasn't even
close to being scary.

 ->> That would require consistency from Sauer and his ilk.

 J> "A foolish consistency is the hob-goblin of small minds."  Emerson

Notice the word "foolish" in Emerson's comment which modifies the
word "consistency." It doesn't mean that any consistency is
foolish.


 TR>>> You and your butt buddy come in here and revile someone because
 J> they
 ->> belong to
 TR>>> the Mormon Church, but say not a word about those who are real
 J> religious
 TR>>> fanatics, and deliberate murderers besides.



 ->> Well, you know how dangerous I am.

 J> And you work with what you've got. There being a noted absence of fanatic
 J> deliberate murders on line, it's "Pick on Mormon's Month"!

For Sauer and his buddy it's "pick on Christians of all stripes"
all the time.

 J> I hope you picked up that serious laud of Atheists...by a Mormom. I
gave the URK a few
 J> posts back...

I read some of it.



 TR>>> Your credibility as a `religion' critic, along with your butt
 J> buddy, is
 ->> non-
 TR>>> existent!...

 J> Well, as a working atheist, that would automatically become a religion
 J> critic. I know a very intelligent man who sees no worth at all in Dali,
 J> Picasso, etc...he's an art critic and a very poor one.

Which has what to do with Sauer's lack of intellect and credibility?

 J>  You are fakes (not to coin a phrase).....both of you. Your
 ->> entire
 TR>>> purpose in this echo is to insult, belittle, and revile.

 J> True! How else to show superiority but by finding fault? (I have only one
 J> fault: excessive modesty...) There's no desire to convince or even argue
 J> but to show, by finding human error, to prove their moral/intellectual
 J> superiority.

It's a very poor way to show superiority.

Ed

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