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to: Geo.
from: Robert Comer
date: 2007-02-26 08:45:46
subject: Re: Microsoft Say Don`t Buy Vista

From: "Robert Comer" 

> Vista requires a secure video path for any HD video, if you virtualize the
> machine, vista thinks it's got a secure end to end path but it's talking
> to a virtualized end so it's really not secure.

Not correct with regards to current VM software, the secure path is at the
hardware/ HW driver level and the VM doesn't have access to the hardware
layer of the host at all, it only has emulated devices (S3 Trio and SB16
sound), so it's not DRM capably.  If Vista is in the VM, it knows it has no
secure path and wouldn't play HD.

> As for not allowing any form in a VM, they don't allow watching HD video
> from vista if it's running in a VM (per the license agreement text that
> was posted in the thread).

That's an interesting concept, the VM doesn't have to be Vista even if the
host might be.  If the HD content can be played on the emulated minimal
hardware, it would play, but the performance would be hit or miss.

>They claimed it wasn't secure to do so, what kind of security do you think
>they were talking about?

I don't believe security has anything to do with it, otherwise the whole VM
scenario is not secure for anything.  I've read some interesting
discussions as to what it might really be, and the most plausable is just
the threat of piracy or money.

--
Bob Comer


"Geo."  wrote in message
news:45e25dcc$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> Vista requires a secure video path for any HD video, if you virtualize the
> machine, vista thinks it's got a secure end to end path but it's talking
> to a virtualized end so it's really not secure.
>
> As for not allowing any form in a VM, they don't allow watching HD video
> from vista if it's running in a VM (per the license agreement text that
> was posted in the thread). They claimed it wasn't secure to do so, what
> kind of security do you think they were talking about?
>
> Geo.
>
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
> news:45e214f2$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Microsoft's security, not yours. If it's run in a VM then you can get
>>> under the DRM system and defeat it.
>>
>> That would be extremely hard given the way Vista's DRM works and the way
>> VM software in general works, and if that really were the case, they
>> would not allow any form of Vista in a VM....
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>
>

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