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PlaysForSure tackles the same problem as apple tries with itunes and =
their fairplay. The key difference is that PlaysForSure is widely =
licensed to avoid the interoperability problems that apple has with =
itunes. Apple could license PlaysForSure if they wanted.
I don't think the DRM applications to which you refer to are =
generically corporate interests as much as they are content owner =
interests. This is why steve jobs stated the obvious when asserting = that
he would like to offer other people's content without any DRM. Of = course
he would as would probably everyone else who has no interest in = the
content itself.
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" wrote in message =
news:45e4f15d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
or you have the idiocy with Microsoft's PlaysForSure certification. =
DRM=20
is currently a mess with various corporate entities in a power =
struggle=20
for control of a market without care of how it affects (screws) the=20
consumer. The average consumer I know either by facial expression or=20
vocally expresses a dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/337/C11865/
While it still appears to be true that PlaysForSure content won't work =
on a Zune, the reverse is completely hunky doory. You can seemingly =
drag=20
songs from the Zune Marketplace onto any PlaysForSure device, like=20
offerings from Rio and Creative.
Rich wrote:
> I don't see average consumers misusing the term. I see strongly=20
> opinionated and technical folks like those that would have their own =
> blog or would post to a public forum. This isn't a consumer topic=20
> beyond that some folks are trying to make it one. That isn't to say =
> there aren't real issues with interoperability and longevity such as =
you=20
> read about lately with itunes. This is just a single application of =
> DRM. The same aspects that are an issue for this application are =
not=20
> issues for the application of DRM to your medical records or =
sensitive=20
> corporate documents.
> =20
> Rich
> =20
>=20
> "Rich Gauszka" > wrote in message
> news:45e4e27a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> I don't disagree. The notable constant though is that people are
> including DRM in their complaints just because they can. If DRM =
was as
> beneficial for consumers as the industry propagandists spout I =
highly
> doubt you'd see this trend.
>=20
>=20
> Rich wrote:
> > It's not just DRM and this, it's DRM and anything people =
want to
> > complain about that can be stretched to garner more support.=20
> Broadly I
> > see it used for anything that restricts access, copying, or
> similar. I
> > think people believe they will get more sympathy for their
> position from
> > a certain audience if they apply the term DRM than if they =
are
> honest.
> >=20
> > Rich
> >=20
> >
> > "Rich Gauszka"
> > > wrote in message
> > news:45e4b899{at}w3.nls.net...
> > I understand the point you are making. Unfortunately, =
like it
> or not,
> > DRM and Activation are starting to be used =
interchangeably in
> everyday
> > use ( as in the Infoworld Gripeline blog )
> >
> >
> > Rich wrote:
> > > This is neither a content nor a service which is =
one
> reason I
> > > questioned the use of DRM. I think the new subject is
> appropriate.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > >
> > > "Rich Gauszka"
> >
> > >
> wrote in =
message
> > > news:45e4b05e$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > > It's an inane activation scheme. From Microsoft's =
own
> > definition one
> > > could make the case that Adobe's activation is a =
content
> > owner setting
> > > the business rules of a file ( a program in this =
case
> ). Most
> > would use
> > > 'activation' for clarity in this context - so =
Subject
> changed
> > >
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/glossary.mspx#d
> > >
> > > digital rights management (DRM)
> > >
> > > Any technology used to protect the interests of =
owners of
> > content and
> > > services (such as copyright owners). Typically, =
authorized
> > > recipients or
> > > users must acquire a license in order to consume =
the
> protected
> > > material=97files, music, movies=97according to the =
rights or
> > business rules
> > > set by the content owner.
> > >
> > >
> > > Rich wrote:
> > > > What does this have to do with DRM? Or do =
you
> use DRM for
> > > everything
> > > > from actual DRM to encrypted email to password
> protected ZIP
> > > files to
> > > > SSL/TLS?
> > > >
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Rich Gauszka"
> >
> > >
> > > >
> wrote =
in
> message
> > > > news:45e4792a$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > > > Adobe - If you use a disk defragger the
> activation doesn't
> > > like it?
> > > >
> > > > =20
> > > =20
> > =20
> =
http://weblog.infoworld.com/gripeline/archives/2007/02/acrobat_activat.ht=
ml
> > > > when it comes to stupid IT designs as far =
as the
> > activation
> > > issues I
> > > > encountered with Adobe. I upgraded from =
Acrobat
> 7.0 to
> > 8.0,
> > > because the
> > > > demos and features looked great. After
> installing it,
> > I didn't
> > > > really use it
> > > > for a few months. Then I went to
use it and =
it
> said it
> > was not
> > > > activated."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When the reader went to the menu, he was =
puzzled to
> > see both the
> > > > "Activate'
> > > > and "Deactivate' buttons
turned off. "Seems
> stupid --
> > > shouldn't one
> > > > always
> > > > be highlighted?" the reader wondered. =
"After
> calling in,
> > > Adobe told
> > > > me to
> > > > run the repair function. I did, and it =
worked
> for one day,
> > > and then
> > > > it was
> > > > deactivated again and both buttons were off
> again. I
> > called again
> > > > and waited
> > > > on hold forever to be told to uninstall and
> reinstall.
> > So I
> > > > uninstalled and
> > > > it deactivated. I went to reinstall and it =
said
> I did
> > not have an
> > > > original
> > > > product to upgrade from. Wow, like I'm =
supposed to
> > keep all
> > > > hundred-plus key
> > > > codes I've ever had from Adobe. So after =
about
> 3 more
> > people
> > > and a
> > > > lot more
> > > > time on the phone I got around the =
installation and
> > activated
> > > again
> > > > with a
> > > > temp key. Then within hours it deactivated =
again."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The reader then entered a support nightmare
> from which
> > he is
> > > yet to
> > > > awaken.
> > > > For weeks on end, tech after tech would =
tell him to
> > run the
> > > repair
> > > > function
> > > > and reinstall. When that wouldn't
work, the =
techs
> > would begin
> > > > speculating as
> > > > to what changes he should make to him =
computer to
> > placate the
> > > > activation
> > > > gods. "Gee, the guy would
say, why do you =
need to
> > mirror your
> > > hard
> > > > drive?"
> > > > the reader wrote. "Then they
send me to =
another and
> > the guy says,
> > > > gee, if
> > > > you upgrade or restore your drive, or =
change your
> > > configuration, or
> > > > backup
> > > > to Ghost, or use a RAID array, or use a =
disk
> > defragger, the
> > > activation
> > > > doesn't like it. Then they start
asking why =
I
> need to
> > do these
> > > > things, which
> > > > is none of their business."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some of the Adobe techs mentioned
that what =
the
> reader
> > really
> > > needed
> > > > to fix
> > > > the activation problem was
"Patch 2.70."
> > Unfortunately, it seems
> > > > Patch 2.70
> > > > is not provided to just any old Acrobat
> customer, and the
> > > reader had to
> > > > supplicate his way up the support
ladder to =
find
> > someone who
> > > could
> > > > authorize
> > > > sending it to him. "I finally
get to the =
right
> guy and
> > he asks me
> > > > why I need
> > > > it and why I can't stop mirroring and
> defragging and
> > using Ghost.
> > > > Finally he
> > > > says he'll escalate the issue and
I'll have =
an
> e-mail
> > in 24
> > > hours.
> > > > Next day
> > > > there's no e-mail so I call back. It was =
never
> > escalated and
> > > I have
> > > > to start
> > > > the process of filing to get the patch all =
over
> again."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The reader is a stubborn man, though, and =
he
> > eventually prevailed
> > > > upon Adobe
> > > > to send him Patch 2.70. It didn't help. =
Several
> more
> > weeks of
> > > > escalations to
> > > > supervisors and higher levels of Adobe =
support have
> > followed,
> > > without
> > > > success. Last week Adobe promised to send =
him a
> copy
> > of Acrobat -
> > > > presumably
> > > > the corporate version - that would get =
around
> the problem.
> > > But at last
> > > > report it still hasn't shown, so the =
reader's
> copy of
> > Acrobat
> > > 8 remains
> > > > deactivated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "The amount of time, support,
and money =
that
> Adobe and
> > I have
> > > wasted
> > > > on this
> > > > is crazy," the reader wrote.
"I understand
> protecting your
> > > product, but
> > > > these people have gone way overboard with =
this
> > activation that's
> > > > tied so
> > > > closely to the hardware that you can't do =
anything
> > that doesn't
> > > > upset it.
> > > > Many people back up, restore, defrag and =
mirror
> disks and
> > > many more
> > > > will do
> > > > so as the prices come down. I think Adobe =
needs to
> > clean some
> > > > management
> > > > house, toss out this stupid activation =
process, and
> > get something
> > > > that works
> > > > instead of the runaround."
> > > >
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PlaysForSure tackles the =
same problem=20
as apple tries with itunes and their fairplay. The key difference
= is that=20
PlaysForSure is widely licensed to avoid the interoperability problems = that=20
apple has with itunes. Apple could license PlaysForSure if
they=20 wanted.
I don't
think the DRM =
applications to=20
which you refer to are generically corporate interests as much as they = are=20
content owner interests. This is why steve jobs stated the
obvious = when=20
asserting that he would like to offer other people's content without any =
DRM. Of course he would as would probably everyone else who has no =
interest in the content itself.
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}-nospam-hotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}-nospam-hotmail.com">gauszka{at}-nospam-hotmail.com
A>>=20
wrote in message news:45e4f15d$1{at}w3.nls.net...or=20
you have the idiocy with Microsoft's PlaysForSure certification. DRM =
is=20
currently a mess with various corporate entities in a power struggle =
for=20
control of a market without care of how it affects (screws) the =
consumer.=20
The average consumer I know either by facial expression or vocally =
expresses a dissatisfaction with the current state of =
affairshttp://www.mobi" target="new">http://www.mobi=">http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/337/C11865/">http://www.mobi=
lemag.com/content/100/337/C11865/While=20
it still appears to be true that PlaysForSure content won't work =
on a=20
Zune, the reverse is completely hunky doory. You can seemingly drag =
songs=20
from the Zune Marketplace onto any PlaysForSure device, like =
offerings=20
from Rio and Creative.Rich =
wrote:> I=20
don't see average consumers misusing the term. I see strongly =
>=20
opinionated and technical folks like those that would have their own =
>=20
blog or would post to a public forum. This isn't a consumer =
topic=20
> beyond that some folks are trying to make it
one. That =
isn't to=20
say > there aren't real issues with interoperability and =
longevity such=20
as you > read about lately with itunes. This is just a =
single=20
application of > DRM. The same aspects that
are an issue =
for this=20
application are not > issues for the application of DRM to your =
medical=20
records or sensitive > corporate
documents.> =
>=20
Rich> >
> "Rich =
Gauszka"=20
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I don't disagree. The notable constant though is that people=20
are> including
DRM in their complaints =
just=20
because they can. If DRM was
as> =
beneficial for=20
consumers as the industry propagandists spout I=20
highly> doubt
you'd see this =
trend.>=20
>
> Rich=20
wrote:>
> =
It's not=20
just DRM and this, it's DRM and anything people want=20
to>
> complain about that can =
be=20
stretched to garner more support.
> =
Broadly=20
I>
> see it used for anything =
that=20
restricts access, copying,
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I>
> think people believe they =
will=20
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> =20
> gods. "Gee, the guy
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mirror=20
your> =
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> =20
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drive?"> =20
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> the reader wrote.
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the guy=20
says,> =
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> gee,=20
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> you =
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backup> =20
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> =20
defragger,
the> =20
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> =20
activation> =20
>
> =20
> doesn't like it. Then
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do=20
these> =
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> =
things,=20
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> is =
none of=20
their
business."> =20
>
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>> =
> =20
> =
>> =20
>
> =20
> Some of the Adobe techs
mentioned that =
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the> =20
reader> =
> =20
really> =20
>
> =20
needed> =20
>
> =20
> to =
fix> =20
>
> =20
> the activation problem
was "Patch=20
2.70."> =
> =20
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seems> =20
>
> =20
> Patch =
2.70> =20
>
> =20
> is not provided to just any old=20
Acrobat> customer, and=20
the> =
> =20
> reader had=20
to> =
> =20
>
> =
supplicate his=20
way up the support ladder to =
find> =20
> someone =
who> =20
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> =20
could> =
> =20
>
> =20
authorize> =20
>
> =20
> sending it to him.
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right> guy=20
and>
> =
he asks=20
me> =
> =20
>
> why I=20
need> =
> =20
>
> it and =
why I=20
can't stop mirroring
and> defragging=20
and>
> =
using=20
Ghost.> =20
>
> =20
> Finally =
he> =20
>
> =20
> says he'll escalate the
issue and I'll =
have=20
an> =20
e-mail> =
> in=20
24> =
> =20
> =
hours.> =20
>
> =20
> Next =
day> =20
>
> =20
> there's no e-mail so I
call back. It was=20
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escalated
and> =20
>
> I=20
have> =
> =20
>
> to=20
start> =
> =20
>
> the =
process of=20
filing to get the patch all
over> =20
again."> =20
>
> =20
>> =
> =20
> =
>> =20
>
> =20
> The reader is a stubborn
man, though, and =
he>
> =20
eventually
prevailed> =20
>
> =20
> upon =
Adobe> =20
>
> =20
> to send him Patch 2.70.
It didn't help.=20
Several> =20
more> =
> weeks=20
of> =
> =20
>
> =
escalations=20
to> =
> =20
>
> =
supervisors=20
and higher levels of Adobe support =
have> =20
> =
followed,> =20
>
> =20
without> =20
>
> =20
> success. Last week Adobe
promised to send =
him=20
a> =
copy> =20
> of Acrobat=20
-> =
> =20
>
> =20
presumably> =20
>
> =20
> the corporate version -
that would get=20
around> the=20
problem.> =20
>
> But at =
last> =
> =20
>
> report =
it=20
still hasn't shown, so the
reader's> =
copy=20
of>
> =20
Acrobat> =20
>
> 8=20
remains> =20
>
> =20
> =20
deactivated.> =20
>
> =20
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> =20
> =
>> =20
>
> =20
> "The amount of
time, support, and money=20
that> Adobe=20
and>
> =
I=20
have> =
> =20
> =
wasted> =20
>
> =20
> on =
this> =20
>
> =20
> is crazy," the
reader wrote. "I=20
understand> protecting=20
your> =
> =20
> product,=20
but> =
> =20
>
> these =
people=20
have gone way overboard with =
this> =20
> activation=20
that's> =20
>
> =20
> tied =
so> =20
>
> =20
> closely to the hardware
that you can't do =
anything> =
> =20
that doesn't> =20
>
> =20
> upset =
it.> =20
>
> =20
> Many people back up,
restore, defrag and=20
mirror> disks=20
and> =
> =20
> many =
more> =20
>
> =20
> will =
do> =20
>
> =20
> so as the prices come
down. I think Adobe =
needs=20
to>
> =
clean=20
some> =
> =20
>
> =20
management> =20
>
> =20
> house, toss out this
stupid activation =
process,=20
and>
> =
get=20
something> =20
>
> =20
> that =
works> =20
>
> =20
> instead of the=20
runaround."> =20
>
> =20
>
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