From: "Rich Gauszka" 

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C51084.9B972AB0
Content-Type: text/plain;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 Media Center Supposedly has a list of appoved hardware components.  I =
love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' requirement for MS partners =
by the operating system.=20

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtunercardsr=
eq.mspx
1.1.1.7 CP (Copy Protection):

      . Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line 21) =
by providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM subsystems =
must also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.
    =20
      . Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center as part of the digital output stream from the video compressor.
    =20
      . Macrovision states/bits must be preserved.
    =20
=20
  "Randy"  wrote in message news:420d6bb0{at}w3.nls.net...
  "For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition =
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time.
"

  This makes no sense to me. The whole point of time-shifting is to be =
able to watch something at your conveneince-not the providers. I can't =
believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be acceptable.

  Then again, "stupid is as stupid does"....
    "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:420c004f{at}w3.nls.net...
    Sounds like they are embedding it to me.   I suppose one way =
consumers have to punish them is just start a campaign against Longhorn =
as an anti-consumer product.=20

    =
http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protection/2100-=
1030_3-5557984.html
    Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have struck a deal =
that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content being =
swapped between home devices.=20

    The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection =
typically does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along with the =
video as it is played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content should =
not be recorded. Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this signal =
and block recording if it is detected.=20

    Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize this signal when it is included in incoming analog video =
streams. For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition =
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time.=20

    In future versions of its Media software, including the version in =
its next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an =
upcoming revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to =
be stored for just 90 minutes, or up to a week.=20

      "Tony Ingenoso"  wrote in message =
news:420bfcf5{at}w3.nls.net...
      Q: Is Microsoft planning on embedding Macrovision technology in =
Windows?

      Yes, or no.

        "Rich"  wrote in message news:420b9923$1{at}w3.nls.net...
           How does it differ?  Well it's a completely different quote =
on a different topic.  That's how it differs.

           George was wrong and you jumped on putting your foot in your =
mouth without checking whether or not George was correct first.

        Rich

          "Tony Ingenoso"  wrote in message =
news:420b0a58{at}w3.nls.net...
          "For the entertainment industry to deliver premium on-demand =
entertainment in the home, rights must be protected to prevent revenue =
loss. With about 10 million digital video recorders expected to ship in =
2005, a surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft Windows XP Media = Center
2005 and broad consumer adoption and use of digital media = technologies,
Microsoft and Macrovision are working to provide a = flexible rights
solution that allows the entertainment industry to take = full advantage of
new usage models for today's digital home. "

          How does that differ from what was said?  MacroVision is an =
analog technology and you plan to somehow marry it with Windows to =
"protect" "rights".  Those "rights" would
apparently NOT include the = buyers right to somehow insure they get to
injoy whatever they've bought = in the future. =20

          I assure you - being consumer hostile is not the way to =
success in business.

          The whole "loss of revenue" argument from these people has =
been proven bogus time and time again.  They whine with every new =
technology that comes along and their sales continue. =20

          "Rich"  wrote in message news:420ac9fd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
               You really ought to double check on george's embarrassing =
mistakes before embarrassing yourself too.

            Rich

              "Tony Ingenoso"  wrote
in message =
news:420abbf1{at}w3.nls.net...
              As the kids say: "pwned"
                "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:420ab27f{at}w3.nls.net...
                the quote was from your link. Didn't you even read the =
story you posted a link to?

                Geo.

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C51084.9B972AB0
Content-Type: text/html;
        charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable








 Media Center Supposedly has a
list of appoved =
hardware=20
components.  I love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' =
requirement for=20
MS partners by the operating system. 
 
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtun=
ercardsreq.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/=
dfw/tvtunercardsreq.mspx

1.1.1.7 CP (Copy Protection):

  
  
    =95
    
      Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line 21) =
by=20
      providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM =
subsystems must=20
      also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.
  
    =95
    
      Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center as=20
      part of the digital output stream from the video =
compressor.
  
    =95
    
      Macrovision states/bits must be=20
preserved. 

  "Randy" <{at}> wrote in message news:420d6bb0{at}w3.nls.net...
  "For upcoming
versions of its =
Microsoft's=20
  http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5=
515378.html?tag=3Dnl">Media Center
Edition=20
  operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary =
copy that=20
  can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that time. =
"
   
  This makes no sense to me. The whole point of =
time-shifting=20
  is to be able to watch something at your conveneince-not the =
providers. I=20
  can't believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be acceptable.
   
  Then again, "stupid is as stupid =
does"....
  

    "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:420c004f{at}w3.nls.net...
    Sounds like they are embedding it to =
me.   I=20
    suppose one way consumers have to punish them is just start a =
campaign=20
    against Longhorn as an anti-consumer product. 
     
    http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protecti=
on/2100-1030_3-5557984.html">http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+a=
lign+on+copy+protection/2100-1030_3-5557984.html
    
    Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have struck =
a deal=20
    that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content =
being=20
    swapped between home devices. 
    
    The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather=20
    than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection =
typically=20
    does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along with the video =
as it is=20
    played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content should not be =
recorded.=20
    Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this signal and block =
recording=20
    if it is detected. 
    Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize=20
    this signal when it is included in incoming analog video streams. =
For=20
    upcoming versions of its Microsoft's http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5=
515378.html?tag=3Dnl">Media Center Edition
operating systems, =
the=20
    computer will allow users to make a temporary copy that can be =
stored one=20
    day, but that cannot be used after that time. 
    In future versions of its Media software, including the version =
in its=20
    next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an =
upcoming=20
    revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to be =
stored=20
    for just 90 minutes, or up to a week. 
    

      "Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:aingenoso{at}hotmail.com">aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>
= wrote in=20
      message news:420bfcf5{at}w3.nls.net...
      Q: Is Microsoft planning on =
embedding=20
      Macrovision technology in Windows?
       
      Yes, or
no.
       
      

        "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:420b9923$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          
How does it =
differ?  Well=20
        it's a completely different quote on a different topic.  =
That's how=20
        it differs.
         
          
George was wrong =
and you=20
        jumped on putting your foot in your mouth without checking =
whether or=20
        not George was correct first.
         
        Rich
         
        

          "Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:aingenoso{at}hotmail.com">aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20
          wrote in message news:420b0a58{at}w3.nls.net...
          "For=20
          the entertainment industry to deliver premium on-demand =
entertainment=20
          in the home, rights must be protected to prevent revenue loss. =
With=20
          about 10 million digital video recorders expected to ship in =
2005, a=20
          surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft Windows XP Media =
Center 2005=20
          and broad consumer adoption and use of digital media =
technologies,=20
          Microsoft and Macrovision are working to provide a flexible =
rights=20
          solution that allows the entertainment industry to take full =
advantage=20
          of new usage models for today=92s digital home. =
"
           
          How does that differ from =
what was=20
          said?  MacroVision is an analog technology and you plan =
to=20
          somehow marry it with Windows to "protect"
"rights".  =
Those=20
          "rights" would apparently NOT include the buyers right to =
somehow=20
          insure they get to injoy whatever they've bought in the =
future. =20
          
           
          I assure you - being
consumer =
hostile is=20
          not the way to success in business.
           
          The whole "loss
of revenue" =
argument from=20
          these people has been proven bogus time and time again.  =
They=20
          whine with every new technology that comes along and their =
sales=20
          continue.  
           
          "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:420ac9fd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
          

               You really =
ought to double=20
            check on george's embarrassing mistakes before embarrassing =
yourself=20
            too.
             
            Rich
             
            

              "Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:aingenoso{at}hotmail.com">aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20
              wrote in message news:420abbf1{at}w3.nls.net...
              As the kids say: =
"pwned"
              

                "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
=
wrote in=20
                message news:420ab27f{at}w3.nls.net...
                the quote was
from your =
link.=20
                Didn't you even read the story you posted a link=20
to?
                 
                Geo.
                

                   <=
/BODY>

------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C51084.9B972AB0--

--- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5