On 04/25/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Christians And Jews.

SA> Quite so, in fact wile Jesus Christ came in his Father's name, the one [the
SA> Jews] accept will come in his own name (John 5:43). (While Jesus was
SA> addressing the Jews, the statement appears to apply to  anyone who accepts
SA> the false messiah)


Hello Steve. Thanks for posting again. As I believe I may have mentioned to
you before, possibly here in the echo, or maybe in an email message to you,
until I first came across your above interpretation some time ago, I had never
considered John 6:43 as a specific Endtime prophecy. My understanding has
always been that the Lord was simply speaking in a general sense regarding
anyone coming in their own name, as opposed to Jesus coming in His Father's
Name. By approaching the verse in an Endtime context, you may possibly have
something there. I really don't know for certain, but it does add an
interesting aspect to the verse.

SA> They may be of Muslim origin, but I have a problem with the idea of the
SA> Beast sitting in the temple of God, showing that he is god, and demanding
SA> to be worshipped as god if he is anything other than a Jew who would be
SA> endorsed by the (nascent) Sanhedrin. I doubt  that a muslim, or a Pope, or
SA> any non-Jewish figure would sit in the Third Temple. This is not to reject
SA> your position - it is simply the way in which I understand the Beast.


As you've probably figured out by now, your confusion results from the fact
that until now, you didn't fully understand that I don't view the Beast and
the Antichrist as synonymous terms, as many modern preachers and Christians
tend to do. I have personally been convinced by the Scriptures that the Beast
and the False Prophet are a pair who work together against Israel, while the
Antichrist is synonymous with Moshiach, who we both agree will be the false
Jewish messiah. Once you understand that, then as I point out in a number of
my articles, you will see that we are actually in full agreement that the Jews
will let NO ONE sit in the speculated Third Temple, unless he is a bona fide
flesh Jew, following the line of King David.

In short, my current view is that the Beast and the False Prophet are a pair,
quite possibly a Muslim pair -- such as the president and ayatollah of Iran --
while the Antichrist is the Jewish moshiach. In other words, in my view, the
False Prophet and Antichrist/Moshiach are NOT one and the same. As you know,
the False Prophet will be the Beast's PR man; therefore, he cannot  possibly
be the same as the Antichrist/Moshiach. The False Prophet will support the
Beast, and inspire the Arab/Muslim nations to attack Israel.

I hope that wasn't too confusing for you to follow. I discuss all of this in
such articles and series as "The Seven Heads", "The Kings Of
The North And The
South", "The Beast And The Three Broken Horns", etc.

SA> I use Beast (whose number is 666) and Antichrist interchangeably - again,
SA> this is my understanding, but there is a scenario where your view is
SA> plausible, and this is the islamic concept of the Mahdi returning with
SA> "Jesus" ("Isa") who will tell the world that
islam is right and Christians
SA> are wrong.


Yes, I understand that this is why you were confused about what I've been
saying. But one thing which seems clear to me from the Book of Revelation is
that the Beast and the False Prophet work together to invade Israel. It only
stands to reason then that the Beast and the Antichrist cannot possibly be one
and the same. The Beast is clearly a foreign invader to Israel, a political
and military man, while the False Prophet will obviously be a spiritual leader
with great power. As I said, to me, this sounds very much like a team
comprised of two people of the same faith -- Islam?

If you accept that the Beast and the Antichrist are one and the same, then in
my understanding of events, that simply does not make sense, because, as you
yourself have stated, the Jews will never allow a foreign non-Jewish person to
sit in the temple.

SA> I have to agree with that, and it was so much simpler when the Beast could
SA> be identified as a Pope or the Papacy or something similar, when it is the
SA> awaited Jewish "moshiach" who is the most likely candidate (IMO),


I am still not certain how the Pope may fit into all of this. Yes, like you, I
have heard and read about all of the theories regarding this issue, but I have
taken a wait and see attitude towards that particular scenario.

Yes, I will take your IMO into consideration. Time will tell. :)

Again, thanks for posting.

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