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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Randy
date: 2005-02-11 23:26:36
subject: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces

From: "Randy" 

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Needless to say, that's one piece of software I won't be touching = anytime
soon-if ever.
  "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:420d7049{at}w3.nls.net...
   Media Center Supposedly has a list of appoved hardware components.  I =
love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' requirement for MS partners =
by the operating system.=20

  =
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtunercardsr=
eq.mspx
  1.1.1.7 CP (Copy Protection):

        . Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line =
21) by providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM =
subsystems must also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.
      =20
        . Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center as part of the digital output stream from the video compressor.
      =20
        . Macrovision states/bits must be preserved.
      =20
  =20
    "Randy"  wrote in message news:420d6bb0{at}w3.nls.net...
    "For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition =
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time.
"

    This makes no sense to me. The whole point of time-shifting is to be =
able to watch something at your conveneince-not the providers. I can't =
believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be acceptable.

    Then again, "stupid is as stupid does"....
      "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message =
news:420c004f{at}w3.nls.net...
      Sounds like they are embedding it to me.   I suppose one way =
consumers have to punish them is just start a campaign against Longhorn =
as an anti-consumer product.=20

      =
http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protection/2100-=
1030_3-5557984.html
      Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have struck a =
deal that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content =
being swapped between home devices.=20

      The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection =
typically does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along with the =
video as it is played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content should =
not be recorded. Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this signal =
and block recording if it is detected.=20

      Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize this signal when it is included in incoming analog video =
streams. For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition =
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time.=20

      In future versions of its Media software, including the version in =
its next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an =
upcoming revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to =
be stored for just 90 minutes, or up to a week.=20

        "Tony Ingenoso"  wrote in message =
news:420bfcf5{at}w3.nls.net...
        Q: Is Microsoft planning on embedding Macrovision technology in =
Windows?

        Yes, or no.

          "Rich"  wrote in message news:420b9923$1{at}w3.nls.net...
             How does it differ?  Well it's a completely different quote =
on a different topic.  That's how it differs.

             George was wrong and you jumped on putting your foot in =
your mouth without checking whether or not George was correct first.

          Rich

            "Tony Ingenoso"  wrote
in message =
news:420b0a58{at}w3.nls.net...
            "For the entertainment industry to deliver premium on-demand =
entertainment in the home, rights must be protected to prevent revenue =
loss. With about 10 million digital video recorders expected to ship in =
2005, a surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft Windows XP Media = Center
2005 and broad consumer adoption and use of digital media = technologies,
Microsoft and Macrovision are working to provide a = flexible rights
solution that allows the entertainment industry to take = full advantage of
new usage models for today's digital home. "

            How does that differ from what was said?  MacroVision is an =
analog technology and you plan to somehow marry it with Windows to =
"protect" "rights".  Those "rights" would
apparently NOT include the = buyers right to somehow insure they get to
injoy whatever they've bought = in the future. =20

            I assure you - being consumer hostile is not the way to =
success in business.

            The whole "loss of revenue" argument from these people has =
been proven bogus time and time again.  They whine with every new =
technology that comes along and their sales continue. =20

            "Rich"  wrote in message news:420ac9fd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
                 You really ought to double check on george's =
embarrassing mistakes before embarrassing yourself too.

              Rich

                "Tony Ingenoso" 
wrote in message =
news:420abbf1{at}w3.nls.net...
                As the kids say: "pwned"
                  "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:420ab27f{at}w3.nls.net...
                  the quote was from your link. Didn't you even read the =
story you posted a link to?

                  Geo.

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Needless to say, that's one piece of software I =
won't be=20
touching anytime soon-if ever.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com> wrote = in message=20 news:420d7049{at}w3.nls.net... Media Center Supposedly has a list of = appoved hardware=20 components. I love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' = requirement=20 for MS partners by the operating system. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtun= ercardsreq.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/= dfw/tvtunercardsreq.mspx 1.1.1.7 CP (Copy Protection): =95 Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line = 21) by=20 providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM = subsystems must=20 also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8. =95 Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media = Center=20 as part of the digital output stream from the video=20 compressor. =95 Macrovision states/bits must be=20 preserved.
"Randy" <{at}> wrote in message news:420d6bb0{at}w3.nls.net... "For upcoming versions of its = Microsoft's=20 http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5= 515378.html?tag=3Dnl">Media Center Edition=20 operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy=20 that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that time. = " This makes no sense to me. The whole point of=20 time-shifting is to be able to watch something at your = conveneince-not the=20 providers. I can't believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be=20 acceptable. Then again, "stupid is as stupid = does"....
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:gauszka{at}hotmail.com">gauszka{at}hotmail.com> = wrote in=20 message news:420c004f{at}w3.nls.net... Sounds like they are embedding it to = me. I=20 suppose one way consumers have to punish them is just start a = campaign against Longhorn as an anti-consumer product. = http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protecti= on/2100-1030_3-5557984.html">http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+a= lign+on+copy+protection/2100-1030_3-5557984.html Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have = struck a deal=20 that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content = being=20 swapped between home devices. The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. = Rather=20 than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection=20 typically does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along = with the=20 video as it is played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content = should=20 not be recorded. Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this = signal=20 and block recording if it is detected.=20 Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will = recognize=20 this signal when it is included in incoming analog video streams. = For=20 upcoming versions of its Microsoft's http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5= 515378.html?tag=3Dnl">Media Center Edition operating systems, = the=20 computer will allow users to make a temporary copy that can be = stored one=20 day, but that cannot be used after that time. In future versions of its Media software, including the version = in its=20 next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an = upcoming=20 revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to be = stored=20 for just 90 minutes, or up to a week.
"Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:aingenoso{at}hotmail.com">aingenoso{at}hotmail.com> = wrote=20 in message news:420bfcf5{at}w3.nls.net... Q: Is Microsoft planning on = embedding=20 Macrovision technology in Windows? Yes, or no.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:420b9923$1{at}w3.nls.net... How does it = differ? =20 Well it's a completely different quote on a different = topic. =20 That's how it differs. George was wrong = and you=20 jumped on putting your foot in your mouth without checking = whether or=20 not George was correct first. Rich
"Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:aingenoso{at}hotmail.com">aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20 wrote in message news:420b0a58{at}w3.nls.net... "For the entertainment industry to deliver premium = on-demand=20 entertainment in the home, rights must be protected to = prevent=20 revenue loss. With about 10 million digital video recorders = expected=20 to ship in 2005, a surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft = Windows=20 XP Media Center 2005 and broad consumer adoption and use of = digital=20 media technologies, Microsoft and Macrovision are working to = provide=20 a flexible rights solution that allows the entertainment = industry to=20 take full advantage of new usage models for today=92s = digital home.=20 " How does that differ from = what was=20 said? MacroVision is an analog technology and you plan = to=20 somehow marry it with Windows to "protect" "rights". = Those=20 "rights" would apparently NOT include the buyers right to = somehow=20 insure they get to injoy whatever they've bought in the=20 future. I assure you - being = consumer hostile=20 is not the way to success in business. The whole "loss of revenue" = argument=20 from these people has been proven bogus time and time = again. =20 They whine with every new technology that comes along and = their=20 sales continue. "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:420ac9fd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
You really = ought to=20 double check on george's embarrassing mistakes before = embarrassing=20 yourself too. Rich
"Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:aingenoso{at}hotmail.com">aingenoso{at}hotmail.com>=20 wrote in message news:420abbf1{at}w3.nls.net... As the kids say:=20 "pwned"
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net> wrote in=20 message news:420ab27f{at}w3.nls.net... the quote was from = your link.=20 Didn't you even read the story you posted a link=20 to? Geo.
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