On 07-06-09, ROSS CASSELL said to TIM RICHARDSON:

RC>Hello TIM!


RC>> Now this doesnt speak well for Ceppa, but the comment I made to you
RC>> yesterday is true, without Ceppa the HOLYSMOKE echo is no longer is
RC>> on your radar and wont be unless I were to let him back in.


TR> Then why don't you just close the echo down and be done with it!
TR> Nobody wanted it made so fuckin' tight you can't hardly say anything
TR> to anybody.


RC>The rules didnt start off that way and most the rule modifications were
RC>dont at your requests.


*I* didn't request anything. This has been a *flame* echo since I can
remember, long long ago!


*You* came along and changed the format, and not only that gave Ceppa the
second seat power slot!


TR> Ceppa sounds off at people. If he isn't sounding off at people openly,
TR> he's making little cutesy remarks and comments that are slams or
TR> insults at the person he's talking to that he thinks nobody is going
TR> to catch on to, because he thinks he's to clever to be caught at it.


RC>and you dont think this isnt a two-way street, that in no way, shape or
RC>form, you all have had none, zero, nada, culpability?


Nobody is saying it ISN'T a two-way street! Ceppa is a mouth-off little puke
who can dish it out, but he can't take it. Without a moderator or co-moderator
hat to hide behind when he's getting back what he dish's out, Ceppa is equal
to everyone else. He gets foul-mouthed at the drop of a hat, he talks like a
little gutter snipe most of the time anyway.


TR> If you hadn't given Ceppa `co' moderator status, and had just stayed
TR> out of the way yourself, the echo would still be as lively as it ever
TR> was.


RC>I was out of the way before then, remember the echo was still under my
RC>control, yet it interested none, dont bullshit me here Tim.


No you weren't! Don't bullshit YOURSELF! *You* came in here with the intention
of taking what was for many years nothing more than a flame echo, and tried
turning it into a tea-and-crumpets echo.


RC>The minute Ceppas name up, you all flocked in like knights of the
RC>crusades. My message base goes back one year, do you need a timeline?


I don't need any timeline, but obviously *you* do. Most of the people who are
no longer posting in here (again!) were banned from here for many years.


I was about the only one who wasn't outright banned on this side of the aisle.


TR> Stan didn't kill the echo. *You* did. The only thing left now is for
TR> you to just officially take it `off the air'.


RC>I never accused Stan of killing the echo, the echoes revival was a
RC>farce... It was Ceppa and Sauer whom gave you all any reason to want to
RC>come into it at all..


Then if you're so concerned about it.....turn the echo over to Ceppa or Sauer,
or both of them....and just go away.


You're just anal-retentive over the fact that Ceppa\Sauer\and some
others...hate and despise Hardegree\Richardson\Binkley\and some others, and
neither group desires to have any *nice* discussions over tea and crumpets in
here.


It isn't long before Ceppa or Sauer (if not both) go all `potty-mouthed' at
someone, demean them because they are part of an organized religion (you think
I wasn't reading the echo or something when Ceppa and Sauer both were
demeaning, insulting, belittling and just downright spewing hatred at Ed
Hulett? You think I was asleep at the keyboard through all of that?


You couldn't say anything at all that Ceppa didn't jump right in there with
some sort of flame, or deliberate insult. The same with Sauer.


Neither Ceppa nor Sauer were the least interested in having any sort of nice
quiet discussion. They were both slamming Ed every chance they got. *I* keep
archives also, Cassell. And I was reading the echo every day. My take on what
happened is a little different than yours.


And if you're so interested in `discussing religion' in HolySmoke....tell ya
what:


Tell Sauer and Ceppa they are no longer banned from there, walk in ahd start a
religious discussion yourself.


Or......tell you what: Inform Ceppa and Sauer they can freely post in
HolySmoke, and *I'll* start a religious discussion.


And when the two of them flame the discusion out of existance.....you can
thereafter shut up about what and who `does' what in HolySmoke!


Put your money where your mouth is, sucker! Otherwise, just shut up about it!


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*Durango b301 #PE*