On 07-07-09, ROSS CASSELL said to TIM RICHARDSON:


TR>> *You* came along and changed the format, and not only that gave
TR>> Ceppa the second seat power slot!


RC>> and you had to come running in to fight him..


TR> Nobody was `fighting' anyone. HolySmoke was a *FLAME ECHO*.....until
TR> you came along.


RC>and the California used to belong to Mexico, what is your point?


Exactly what part of "HolySmoke was a *FLAME ECHO* until you came
along." are
you having trouble understanding?


RC>If I left HOLYSMOKE to its old format, people such as yourself would have
RC>been the topic of discussion for daring to have faith or defending others


In the old format.....people such as myself were *already* the topic of
discussion for any old reason Otto or Danny boy deemed necessary to vomit up.


So...........whats *your* point here?


RC>who do. I made it no secret that I was attempting to balance the scales of
RC>the echo to favor both camps 50/50, you had no problem with that notion
RC>then, but seems so now.


You didn't "balance" anything......you tipped the scales in favor
of Danny boy
by giving him a co-moderator hat in the echo, which was the same a giving him
a license to toss insults and vitriol, but not having to take what he dished
out. The vacation I was quickly given for calling him Danny boy is a good
example. Yet.....what is `conveniently ignored is that particular exchange
began with Danny boy calling me `widdle Timmie'.


Such doesn't bother me at all. What *does* bother me is when `he' can do it,
but I get a vacation over giving it back to him in kind.


Thats hardly a `balanced scale'!


RC>HOLYSMOKE was a place to ridicule religion, all I did was try to turn it
RC>into a religious debate echo.


RC>> Be that as it may, why did you come into the echo then?


TR> Why did *you* stoke the echo back again? For sweetness and light?


RC>I answered this above,


Aand I put it to you once again; HolySmoke was a *flame* echo, Danny boy
didn't follow your "...turn it into a religious debate echo."
path, why would
you sensibly expect anyone elsse to?


RC>However answer my question, why did you bother with the echo if indeed
RC>Ceppa is all the things you said he is?


RC>>> I was out of the way before then, remember the echo was still
RC>>> under my control, yet it interested none, dont bullshit me here
RC>>> Tim.


TR> Nobody *knew* it was `under youor control'...at least `I' didn't. And
TR> whenever you `took over control' must have been the most un-advertised
TR> takeover in Fido.


RC>It was no takeover and for you information, no one has to report to you
RC>all the goings on in or out of the network.


I don't rightly give a f*** about the "...goings on in or out of the
network",
nor do I give one tinkers damn about your little tin-godhood as the *whatever
the hell it is you are* per Fido. I'm unimpressed.


TR> Nobody *knew* that except `you'. I didn't know anything about that
TR> until you stirred up the dying embers last year. Don't try to present
TR> some sort of case that flimsy with me, Cassell.


RC>and no one was required to report this information to you.


Nobody is making any claim that you do. I care less sabout it, only in so far
as you now coming out here expecting me to have had this knowledge before
posting in HolySmoke recently. Until you revived the echo, I had no idea
anyone but Steve Quarella was the moderator there.


RC>No echo that I have listed or ever listed was acquired by me in some sort
RC>of takeover,


I don't care a tinkers damn `how' you wound up with it, or even that you `did'
wind up with it. It is completely unimportant to me. I pay more attention to
putting wild bird feed out on my feeder than I do about how many echoes you
own, control, take over, or whatever.


RC>>> The minute Ceppas name up, you all flocked in like knights of the
RC>>> crusades. My message base goes back one year, do you need a
RC>>> timeline?


TR> Look, stupid: You wanted the echo revived. You lifted all the bans.
TR> This was a *FLAME* echo for all the years I can remember. I don't need
TR> a `timeline'. There's no `timeline' involved. HolySmoke is a *FLAME*
TR> echo. Or at least it was until you changed the format.


RC>Change happens all the time, FIDONEWS used to be strictly about the
RC>newsletter of the same name..


Really????? Well.....Danny boy didn't get the message!


RC>The echo didnt die because of the format, in fact the format change I did
RC>was so that people on your side would have an equal footing.


RC>The echo was dead and desolate before I made that change and the common
RC>denominator was that your side saw Ceppa and smelled blood..


RC>It is right in front of your face, the echo is now again dead and desolate
RC>and the common denominator is that Ceppa is no longer there.


RC>But you get all offended when this gets pointed out to you.


RC>Ceppa surely didnt conduct himself well in there, but had he not come back
RC>in there, co-mod or not, you wouldnt have bothered, nor anyone else.


You don't *know* that for a fact. You're juyst tossing that out there as
speculation, and I'm not going for it.



RC>> I reversed those bans until I was proven wrong to have done so.

TR> And when they were reversed, people came back. Now they are back in
TR> place, people are gone again. Gee......I wonder if there might be a
TR> connection!

RC>Yeah the only bans in effect are you, Stan and Ceppa. I see the

RC>connection. I believe you banned yourself..

RC>>> I never accused Stan of killing the echo, the echoes revival was
RC>>> a farce... It was Ceppa and Sauer whom gave you all any reason to
RC>>> want to come into it at all..


TR> If you had just left the previous format of the echo alone, left Ceppa
TR> as just another poster and not elevated him to the co-mod seat, and
TR> stayed out of the way, the echo would no doubt be thriving right now.


RC>Bullshit, it would have been just another them/you against Ceppa/Sauer
RC>match, and you know it.


So what!! What the hell do *you* care? What are you the `sweetness and light'
angel or something?


RC>> and none of you hate them back, is that what you are trying to say?


TR> What do you care? What are you trying to do, make us all want to marry
TR> each other?


RC>Admit that the feeling is mutual. Ceppa is being made to shoulder alot of
RC>this blame, but reality has it different, both sides have plenty of blame
RC>to shoulder. I really aint trying to say that I am condemning you or he
RC>for this animosity, but dont you put it all on just him.


RC>> Nevermind, your behavior is always someone elses fault, you are the
RC>> victim, right?


TR> I'm not a *victim* of anything, asshole. I'm a poster in Fido who
TR> stands up for himself when attacked. I have issues with Ceppa and
TR> Sauer that go back a lot of years. I don't forget, and I'm not the
TR> forgiving type.


RC>That is your problem and perogative.


Its not a `problem' with me at all, sucker! You don't pay my bills, and you
aren't anyone who signs my paychecks. So your little hyperventilation over
HolySmoke is unimportant to me.


But (and I notice you deliberately ignored this when I first laid it out
there, and passed over it when I just made reference to it again), tell you
what:


Lift all the bans in HolySmoke, restore it to its former flame-allowed status,
don't give anyone a co-moderator hat, start a religious discussion and let it
go from there. *OR* do all of the above, *I'll* start a religious discussion
myself, and you just let whatever happens, happen.


Otherwise......shut up about it!





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