Amy Guskin wrote:

> Ooh, it's kind of like "chuff," isn't it!  Because
"chuff" means (roughly)
> "garbage," while being "chuffed" means
"pleased, excited" -- isnt that
> right? (Which kind of equals "shit" meaning
"crap," while "weird shit"
> sometimes means "interesting stuff".)

I think 'chaff' is the garbage; 'chuff', depending on the context, has a 
variety of meanings, some of them almost diametrically opposite (rather like 
'quite' - compare "Did you like it?" "It was quite
good" with "Did you like 
it?" "It was quite excellent"). Tony Hancock, in particular,
used it to mean 
unhappy; latterly it's become more upbeat, as you say.

>> As for 'old person', you *know* we all know that ain't so. <<
>
> Augh, flatter away, but there's no getting around the fact that I turned 
> 45
> last October!

A mere stripling, then. Or sapling, in view of your former nick.

[Altai-Hangai]

> I'm really curious to acquire it -- I mean, I have some "pure" throat
> singing on CD, just some 'in the field' stuff recorded by the Foundation
> for Shamanic Studies, but I am curious to hear performances specifically
> done in the context of an album.

I think (I *hope*) you won't be disappointed. My just coming across them 
like that in a park was one of those happy chances.

I now recall that one of the tracks is almost like a tutorial in how it's 
done; you can hear the overtones breaking in as the mouth and tongue change 
shape. Fascinating. The intersection of science with an offbeat branch of 
music.

*And* we discover the correct pronunciation of Ghengis - it's spelt 
Dzhenggis (given in Cyrillic as Чингис), [1] so the G is soft, not hard.

Bruce
[1] It's a fair bet that won't work on Usenet.
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