-> On 01 Mar 09  08:19:26, JOHNJWILSON got back to GOD DAN 
-> Re: Factual error...

 ->  JO> pastors than I have known were eager to get input (when made by a
 ->  JO> person as charming as I, of course)    
 -> 
 -> I bet he liked the ones that made for extra collections most of all... 

 JO> Dare I infer that with regards to things pertaining to clergy, there
 JO> is a taint, a hint, a suggestion of...cynicism? :-) 

Couldst be!  I find very few ministers come remotely close to following what their
supposed founder commanded them to do.  The initial message gets lost in the
greater glory of the profit rather than holding to the prophet's words.  

 ->  -> What do you think Obama is doing right now?
 -> 
 ->  JO> That (poor) example promotes your assertion? Wow! What 'evidence'!
 -> 
 -> So, you'd change to a church with any old pastor even if the guy was a
 JO> racist?

 JO> I don't know. It would be an interesting challenge perhaps. I am too
 JO> heretical to be much of a church goer. 

Thing is, Jesus didn't start a church.  He founded a change in philosphy.
And, what's really interesting is that his thoughts were along the lines of
the group that supposedly opposed him the most.  


 -> That's what I said.  Changing denominations is a larger step.  
 -> 
 JO> The distance, of necessity, is getting shorter.
 JO> At the University of Toronto, there is Immanuel College (United
 JO> Church, Methodist), Knox College (Presbyterian), St. Basils (Catholic),

Most denominations hold to the same basic beliefs.  It's their personal world
views that are the major differences.  I think churches that ban fun things
like music to be quite suspect in their interface with the real world.  

 JO> and Anglican (Episcopalian) All graduate schools of Theology. All the
 JO> colleges are within walking distance...and there is a definite lack of
 JO> rioting, gunfire, smoke bombs, or kidnapping...(Sigh) SO Far... :-)If
 JO> we ever get out of this economic mess, the fact of globalism will cause
 JO> interesting mergers of  religions, among dozens of other things...     

Well, religion is a business.  Take a look at the wealth the Vatican has
amassed over the years.  Other churches aren't much different.  The real
difference is that the RCC had the game to themselves for quite some time and
the others are playing catch-up.  



... Religion is a more civilized gang of miscreants.
--- OMX/Blue Wave/DOS v2.30