-=> Quoting Lyle Knox to Steve Gunhouse on 11 Jul 96  08:54 <=-
 Re: KICKED OUT OF DENNY'S 
 SG> At first, we had one Wal-mart (of 3 in town) that was
 SG> posted. Strangely, they also banned cameras at that store.
 SG> :-O After a couple of good talks about liability, they
 SG> removed the sign.
 LK> How did the conversation go?  Did you, yourself, do the 'splaining or
 LK> did several of you get together in a mini-campaign?
They're on the other side of town, so I didn't do it (though I asked our 
local Wal-mart with the idea of getting some people within the chain to 
question the issue). But our main issue was the parking lots - if a woman 
stopped at the store at night and had to walk back to her car ... We also 
stressed the liability issue (if some nutcase did come in shooting and we 
couldn't defend ourselves because of their sign, or if someone broke into 
the car and stole a gun which wouldn't be there except for their sign, 
then they are liable) and that they were effectively telling crooks "Our 
customers can't defend themselves." After talking to their lawyer, they 
decided we were right.
 SG> OTOH, one of our Sam's Clubs posted the T.A.B.C. sign on
 LK>                                         ^^^^^^^^
 LK> ????????
 
 SG> their door. I don't know if they still do, but we could
 SG> simply point out that the sign doesn't apply to us
 SG> according to the law. Thus, if their intent is to prevent
 SG> concealed carry, they are failing.
Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission. Prior to the concealed handgun 
license law, there was (and still is) an "enhanced penalties" law if you 
carry a gun illegally where alcohol is sold. But as an enhanced penalty, 
it only applies if the gun is illegal for you to carry (just as the "gun 
free school zone law is an enhanced penalty).
 
 SG> As I don't normally use a fanny pack - I carry a
 SG> full-fledged briefcase (yes, with a holster in it) -
 SG> perhaps I'm making myself look unarmed. Or maybe not - a
 SG> briefcase is still pretty obvious. But if they think I'm
 SG> unarmed, they're in for a shock.
 LK> Do you have any info on the briefcase?
See my next message - Paul also asked about it, and I'll just put it all 
in one place.
 
 SG> But if Galco hasn't considered the tactical value of a
 SG> standard fanny pack with their trademark on it, they're
 SG> missing a great opportunity. :-)
 LK> Yeah, but that sorta destroys the concealment value and since we have
 LK> open carry here, makes it kinda moot.  :-)  Be sorta like sticking a
 LK> gun under your jacket then loudly announcing, "I'm carrying a gun!" 
 LK> :-) 
In the rest of the world, open carry is not usually an option. But if 
that state has concealed carry, people who don't own guns or aren't 
licensed might want to make crooks think they have one ...
I made a similar point earlier with the NRA hats for Florida tourists 
remark. The objective is the same. What in nature would qualify as a 
protective coloration - something which makes a harmless animal appear to 
be a more dangerous one. :-)
Steve
... Shooting someone with a minor caliber is disrespectful.
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