I honestly don't know how Lee is going to respond to my last warning to him
to settle down, but for the sake of others who may be reading this thread,
following are my Scriptural responses to what Lee has stated. You be the
judge.

My position is this: People can disagree with my views all they want; after
all, I am only human, and I could be wrong. I have never claimed to be
infallible like the Roman Catholic pope claims. Only a fool would adopt such
a position. Having said that, I urge all of you to be careful that you don't
disagree with what is plainly stated in God's Word. Once God states it,
that's it; and He is very clear regarding quite a few issues in His Word.

But getting to Lee's remarks...

LL> Jesus never taught that hell is forever.

Lee, nowhere in my previous post did I say, or even suggest that hell is
forever. You clearly made an erroneous assumption, and now you are running
with it, without even knowing what I actually believe regarding this issue.

LL> Hell will not be tolerated by God, as He will put an end to hell.

Again, nowhere in my previous message did I ever state that hell is forever.
The issue was not even the nature of hell; it was your false claim, Lee,
that Jesus did not preach "Eternal Damnation", which He most certainly did.

Lee, if you take the time to read my September 1997 article entitled "Hell
And The Lake Of Fire", you will discover that for many years I have been
teaching that hell will one day be destroyed.

The problem, as I explain in the article, and as you may possibly already
know, is that different Hebrew and Greek words are used throughout the Old
and New Testaments, and they don't always mean the same thing. Despite this
fact, these words are commonly translated into English as "hell",
which many
people, including a lot of Christians, automatically interpret as meaning
solely a fiery place of torment, when this just isn't always so. It depends
on which Hebrew or Greek word is being used.

For a more in-depth explanation of this issue, I encourage everyone to read
the aforementioned article, which can be found at the following URL. You can
also download it in PDF format from the Armageddon BBS, which is the host of
the EDGE_ONLINE echo:

http://www.endtimeprophecy.net/EPN-1/Articles/Articles-Deth/helllak1.html

As I said a moment ago. I have long taught that someday, hell will be
destroyed. One verse which I share in the article to prove this point is the
following:

"And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second
death."
Revelation 20:14, KJV

Wait a minute! If hell is a fiery place of torment, how can it be cast into
the Lake of Fire? Is it possible that hell and the Lake of Fire don't always
mean the same thing in the Bible? That is precisely one of the points that I
make in the article. Please read it if you wish to gain a better insight
regarding this issue. Thanks!

LL> He did not.  The concept of Eternal Damnation is Satanic. The God that
LL> Jesus spoke of is one of Love and Mercy.

Lee, the English word "damnation" is used eleven times in the Authorized
King James Bible, and in fact, only in the New Testament. I honestly don't
know how you interpret the word, but in the original Greek, two words are
used. These are "krima" and "krisis", both of which
mean judgment, a
sentence or condemnation. In short, it means to have a sentence passed upon
oneself by a judge; in this case, God or Jesus Christ being that Judge.

In discussing the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, Jesus had this to
say:

"But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:"
Mark 3:29, KJV

Lee, if the concept of "Eternal Damnation" is Satanic, as you
claim, are you
thus suggesting that Jesus is Satanic; after all, He clearly used the phrase
in that verse. It's right there before your very eyes.

So, what does "eternal" mean in that verse? According to the Greek lexicon,
it is derived from the word "aionios", which it defines as the following:

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

Putting the meanings of those two words together, we arrive at the
conclusion that "Eternal Damnation" means a judgment, a condemnation, a
sentence, which stands forever, and cannot ever be changed. It is a judgment
and sentence which will never cease. As we read in the Old Testament:

". . . For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven."
Psalms 119:89, KJV

"I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put
to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear
before him."
Ecclesiastes 3:14, KJV

So when God passes a judgment or sentence, that's it! There is no changing
it. It stands forever, and that is exactly what "Eternal Damnation" is.

So based on the definitions provided by the Greek lexicon, as well as the
previous verses, and what Jesus clearly taught in Mark 3:29, the concept of
"Eternal Damnation" is in fact a very Scriptural doctrine, which for some
strange reason, you, Lee, deny...and that is why I stated that you are
clearly preaching a false doctrine. The very Bible is a witness against what
you are saying.

The idea of God's judgments and sentences, (or damnation), being
everlasting, eternal, and unchangeable, is likewise confirmed in the Book of
Daniel. Consider what the Lord had Daniel write:

"And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to
everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Daniel 12:2, KJV

It looks to me like Daniel and Jesus are BOTH saying the same thing, Lee.
Some people will be held in contempt, and abhorred for all of eternity, or
do you deny the Scriptures?

The Bible is the Authoritative Source for what we believe as Christians. It
protects us from going astray in our understanding, and even then, we still
don't always get things right, because we are all, after all, only human.
But that is why the Bible is the center piece of this echo, and NOT the
works written by other men. We Christians should use the Bible just as a
lawyer would use a legal document, or a doctor would refer to a medical
journal, or a politician might refer to a historical document.

So what I am saying is basically this: if anyone doesn't agree with my point
of view, that is your right; but if you really wish to convince me of your
view, then you need to do it by pointing me directly to verses in the Bible.
You need to validate your position from the Scriptures. Period.

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