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echo: holysmoke
to: BOB ACKLEY
from: JOHNJWILSON
date: 2009-03-20 01:46:38
subject: Rights

->  RC> Ross Sauer -> Ross Cassell wrote:
-> 
->  RC>>> Are people allowed to possess religious beliefs?
-> 
->  RS>> No reason why not, within limits.
-> 
->  RC> Within limits???
-> 
->  RC> Should limits be placed onto your beliefs?

I wasn;t into this 'till this question was raised...and I wonder how limits 
on beliefs is done. OUTWARDLY easy. Inwardly impossible. 
-> 
-> Great question.  There's a sect down in your general neck of the woods
-> (south of you, I think) that believes in ritual animal sacrifice...
Simple solution. PETA and Jehovah's Witness, together protest - by setting
fires to their buildings.

  I don't
-> think
-> they're allowed to perform those sacrifices (at least publicly, they
probably
-> do it secretly).
-> 
->  RS>> If a person has a religious belief that flagrantly breaks the law,
->  RS>> this is not allowed.
-> 
->  RC> So you advocate the thought police?
-> 
-> Only when it changes from belief to action(s) based on that belief.
-> 
->  RS>> There is a case going through the courts right now, that deals
with
->  RS>> this. A religious sect uses a type of tea they make from tree bark
->  RS>> that is hallucenigenic, and possibly addictive.
-> 
->  RC> and where do the native American Indians fall into this schema,
those
->  RC> whom still practice the ancient rituals?
-> 
->  >> There has been a number of cases including right here in WI of
parents
->  RS>> resorting to prayer, after their children get sick or hurt,
instead
->  RS>> of proper medical care.
-> 
->  RC> That is still a hairy line...
-> 
->  RC> If people can legally shun meat among other things, why cant they
shun
->  RC> the medical community?
-> 
-> Adults can.  I'm ambivalent on the Christian Scientists (and others) who
refuse
-> to allow medical treatment for their children when such treatment
becomes
-> necessary or even life-saving.  One part of me says they have the right
to do
-> exactly what they're doing and the other part says that the children
have a
-> right
-> to the necessary or life-saving treatment regardless of the parents'
wishes.

With you too, I also stoutly stand. (Some things just aren't easy...:-)  )
Regards...





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