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from: Dudley Henriques
date: 2008-01-19 11:36:34
subject: Re: Spins

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> "danmc61{at}gmail.com"  wrote in
> news:b13dbc51-da26-4e0b-8e2b-d15de538d934{at}j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com: 
> 
>> On Jan 19, 10:21 am, Bertie the Bunyip  wrote:
>>> "Blueskies"  wrote
>>> innews:2lokj.790$so6.116{at}newssvr19.news.prodigy.net: 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> "Bertie the Bunyip"  wrote in message
>>>> news:Xns9A2A1BE5D4F44pissupropeeh{at}207.14.116.130...
>>>>>> The Ercoupe was an interesting airplane. It had a
placard on the
>>>>>> panel that said "This airplane is incapable
of spinning" The
>>>>>> rudder (what there was of it) was directly linked
to the yoke and
>>>>>> any tendency to spin was automatically countered. No rudder
>>>>>> pedals..just a brake pedal and a yoke. If I
remember right, I
>>>>>> think the elevator was limited to 13 degrees as
well which made
>>>>>> it real hard to even stall. It would mush like
hell but stay on
>>>>>> the front side of it's max Cl line. Landing that thing was
>>>>>> something else. A Lot of people don't know this
but Tex Johnston
>>>>>> out at Boeing practiced crosswind landings in an
Ercoupe just to
>>>>>> get the feel of landing in a crab since he
couldn't drop a wing
>>>>>> in the prototype -80 because of the engine pods.
It was a great
>>>>>> little airplane to fly and a lot of fun. The one
fault we found
>>>>>> with it was a high sink rate that could develop on
final if you
>>>>>> let it get too slow. But if you kept the speed up
a bit it was a
>>>>>> joy to fly. Never did get one to spin!! :-) 
>>>>> Yeah, I checked a guy ( and myself) out in one that he had
>>>>> restored. The manual actually told you to hold th
estick full aft
>>>>> to increse your sink rate if you were high on finals!
>>>>> !!!!!
>>>>> Bertie
>>>> That, and you can hang your hand out the side slide down window
>>>> which acts like a spoiler. A guy on the field here has I think 4
>>>> 'Coupes along with his Twister and Meyers 200. Sometimes I think he
>>>> prefers the 'Coupes over them all. He mumbles under his breath damn
>>>> cessners and pippers...
>>> He has a Meyers 200 and an Ercoupe?
>>>
>>> Now that's  a werid combination!
>>>
>>> The ercoupe was an effecient airplane even by today's standards.
>>> Remeber it came out in 1938 and it's an astonishing bit of airplane.
>>> Stil too girly for me, though!
>>>
>>> Bertie
>>>
>>>
>> Sad story follows...
>>
>> A friend has a thing for Ercoupes. Been looking for one for years
>> within his price range -- around $15k.
>>
>> Sees an ad in trade-a-plane, calls., the widow states, "I have to get
>> 17 -- my husband said it was worth 17."
>>
>> "Well, for the equipment you have in it, etc..all I can offer
is 15."
>>
>> "Sorry."
>>
>> Months later.. he calls back, "You still have that airplane?"
>>
>> "Yep, and not selling it for less than 17."
>>
>> "OK."
>>
>> A few months later 'You still have that airplane?"
>>
>> "Nope..sold it to a fellow -- he paid 17."
>>
>> "Well, that's pretty good. Seventeen thousand is a good price for an
>> ercoupe."
>>
>> Silence.
>>
>> "Ma'am?"
>>
>> "Seventeen thousand, you said?"
>>
>> "Yes, ma'am."
>>
>> "I sold it for seventeen hundred -- and included all the boxes of
>> parts."
>>
>> More conversation ensues --seems the deceased was restoring it, hoping
>> to place at Oshkosh -- thus the minimal equipment listed. Included
>> lots of brandy-new spares, parts, etc.
>>
>> For $1,700.
>>
>> Yikes.
>>
>> Moral -- clarify your terms!
>>
> 
> Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that. 
> 
> Bertie

Hell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second hand 
Datsun with gas for that :-))

-- 
Dudley Henriques
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