AM>an armchair enthusiast who still wants it his way.  Heck, there are a lot 
of
AM>people who consider Jeff Cooper an expert!
AM>I would mention that the FBI's rapid response unit went from 9mm to .45; 
but
AM>in a surge of irresponsible greed, our government also went from .45 to 
9mm f
AM>our armed forces... regardless of the lessons learned since the turn of 
this
AM>century.
Big difference there, the FBI uses expanding ammo, albeit not the 
greatest (subsonic in 9mm, which is about as close to FMJ as you can 
get), but it is better than FMJ wich is what the armed forces use.  
.45acp and 9mm hardball are not going to be too much different unless the 
bullet hits a bone, neither one punches a hole, they both sort of push 
through, doing about as little disruption as one can do when passing 
through flesh.  I'd rather have twice the ammo if I was restricted to 
using FMJ.
AM> JD> Now the same for a .45
AM>Once in a while I'll shoot competition.  Several courses of fire involve 
stee
AM>targets.  The .45 users had no problem; however, the targets had to be 
adjust
AM>because the 9mm's couldn't knock the steels down.
I shoot competition as well, not many folks use the 9mm, but many use a 
.38 super.  Regardless of the chambering, nobody in their right mind 
would want to get in front of a shooter of this capability.
With reliably expanding ammo, either the 9mm or the .45 is going to put 
bad guys down quick.  You'll have a few more taking more shots with a 9mm 
than a .45acp, but the .45 is in no way a magic wand.
Personally, I'd use the Illinois State Police load: 9mm +p+.  Actually, 
Cor-Bon's 9mm +p is loaded a bit hotter, and has a slightly better 
record.  450ft/lbs of lead sizzling out at over 1300fps is just too much 
to _not_ make a dent.
AM>Sarge says: a person should familiarize themself with the most effective
AM>weapons they are comfortable/proficient with.  If that's a 9mm, .38 wheel 
gun
AM>or whatever, it will be the best for that individual.
Agreed.  Make mine a .40S&W +p.  :-)
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