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Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. =20
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:428eb385{at}w3.nls.net...
     I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know it. =
 Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser.  You are saying more than =
the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet.  I =
can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are
voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before
doing so again.  You are spinning so fast you can't see.

     As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was.  =
Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice.  Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none.  Make sure you mention how you =
have no choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set =
of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for =
Windows.

  Rich

    "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev{at}4ax.com...
    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.

    I live with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let computers
    affect my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you are
    projecting?


    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can use?

    I voice no opinion on the iTunes store.  I merely say that Apple's =
focus
    is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod.   iPod is the means, iTunes =
is
    the end.  And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
    Probably more of "too late to the party".

    Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon
    some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind
    the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try =
to
    catch up.



    >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?

    Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20

    I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they have
    chosen IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
    as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
    to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
    "of choice".  =20

    If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in =
the
    percentages that they currently do?

     /m



    On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:

    >   Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with yourself.
    >
    >   Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same if =
apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can use?
    >
    >   If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
    >
    >Rich
    >
    >  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp{at}4ax.com...
    >
    >  It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the =
online
    >  music race, eh Rich?
    >
    >  Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually =
saying
    >  that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not =
iPod.
    >  I say no more or no less.  Despite what you try to spin.
    >
    >  Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
    >
    >   /m
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich"  wrote:
    >
    >  >   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see =
the obvious and how silly you sound.
    >  >
    >  >   Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones are =
winning over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you can carry = one?
    >  >
    >  >   Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting =
their software onto phones.  There is a difference from the ipod.  = Unless
apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users = multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to = lock in
their customers to the itunes store like apple does.
    >  >
    >  >Rich
    >  >
    >  >  "Mike '/m'"  wrote in message =
news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo{at}4ax.com...
    >  >
    >  >  It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its =
video
    >  >  follow-up).  Apple is already putting iPod software on cell =
phones to
    >  >  allow them to access iTunes.
    >  >
    >  >  Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than =
anything else.
    >  >  Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to look =
like he
    >  >  was out in front all along.
    >  >
    >  >   /m
    >  >
    >  >
    >  >  On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam =

    >  >  wrote:
    >  >
    >  >  >Randy wrote:
    >  >  >
    >  >  >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want MORE....
    >  >  >>=20
    >  >  >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!
    >  >  >>=20
    >  >  >
    >  >  >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last
& that the =
phones=20
    >  >  >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it =
has an MP3=20
    >  >  >player & an fm radio....
    >  >  >
    >  >  >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to the radio =
or the mp3=20
    >  >  >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing =
tones....so if like=20
    >  >  >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc
& then =
"forget"=20
    >  >  >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's =
going on=20
    >  >  >coz the music/radio just suddenly goes....silent....
    >  >  >
    >  >  >
    >  >  >
    >  >  >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & =
was very=20
    >  >  >impressed but {at} the end of the day...I just wanted music + =
radio & a=20
    >  >  >nice neat (small) phone.
    >  >  >
    >  >  >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for any net =
related things.
    >  >  >
    >  >  >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's
"personal" =
computer=20
    >  >  >being the smartphone in their pocket.
    >  >  >
    >  >  >Adam

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Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right.=20
 

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428eb385{at}w3.nls.net...
     I find
it hard to =
believe you can be=20
  such an idiot and not know it.  Read over your spin in this =
thread=20
  starting with your claims that everyone except the itunes store is a=20
  loser.  You are saying more than the obvious that apple's =
investment in=20
  their itunes store is a bet.  I can't believe you have the =
audacity to=20
  state in one sentence that you are voicing no opinion on the itunes =
store both=20
  after doing so and before doing so again.  You are spinning so =
fast you=20
  can't see.
   
     As for
your follow on =
bullshit,=20
  there is no lock in and never was.  Unlike apple, Microsoft =
provides=20
  choice.  Go ahead, continue your dishonesty, and pretend you =
have=20
  none.  Make sure you mention how you have no choice everytime you =
mention=20
  your use any of the very large set of non-Microsoft hardware, =
software,=20
  and services Microsoft enables for Windows.
   
  Rich
   
  
    "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote in =
message news:mg5t819ipve=
721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev{at}4ax.com...>  =20
    Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.I live=20
    with myself just fine Rich.  I find no need to let =
computersaffect=20
    my living situation.  But I have to wonder why you=20
   
areprojecting?>  
Do you really think =
the=20
    itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users =
so that=20
    this was the only store they can use?I voice no opinion on =
the=20
    iTunes store.  I merely say that Apple's focusis on iTunes =
and not=20
    necessarily iPod.   iPod is the means, iTunes isthe =
end. =20
    And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.Probably =
more of=20
    "too late to the party".Whenever
Microsoft feels the need to =
trot=20
    out Mr. Gates to expound uponsome "new direction",
I know that =
Microsft=20
    has found themelves behindthe market leader and have belatedly =
realized=20
    that they need to try tocatch
up.>> If =
users are=20
    not locked in, why would they pick the itunes store?Coming =
from a=20
    Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting comment.  =
I=20
    mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
havechosen=20
    IE over Netscape?  It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
enteredas=20
    evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
neededto=20
    leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser"of=20
    choice".   If the users were
not locked in, would =
they=20
    choose WIndows Media in thepercentages that they currently=20
    do? /m<probably
not...>On Fri, 20 =
May=20
    2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <{at}>
wrote:>   =
Keep=20
    spinning if that is what you need to live with=20
    yourself.>>   Do
you really think the itunes =
store=20
    would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this =
was the=20
    only store they can
use?>>   If users are =
not locked=20
    in, why would they pick the itunes=20
   
store?>>Rich>> 
"Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote in =
message news:s93t81dqsvf=
1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp{at}4ax.com...>> =20
    It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the=20
    online>  music race, eh
Rich?>>  =
Despite what=20
    you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually =
saying>  that=20
    Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not=20
    iPod.>  I say no more or no less. 
Despite what you =
try to=20
    spin.>>  Give those rotator
cuffs a rest for a =
change,=20
    will ya?>>  =20
   
/m>>>>>> 
On Fri, 20 =
May 2005=20
    17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <{at}>
wrote:>> =20
    >   If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see=20
    the obvious and how silly you sound.>  =
>> =20
    >   Why will phones win out, for the same
reason phones =
are=20
    winning over many PDA users?  Why carry two devices when you =
can carry=20
    one?>  >> 
>   Apple will =
follow=20
    Microsoft and I believe real in getting their software onto =
phones. =20
    There is a difference from the ipod.  Unless apple restricts =
their OEM=20
    licensees from offering their users multiple choices, the phone=20
    manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in their customers =
to the=20
    itunes store like apple does.> 
>> =20
    >Rich> 
>>  >  "Mike
'/m'" =
<mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com>
wrote in =
message news:55ns81lbitv=
ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo{at}4ax.com...> =20
    >>  >  It's not iPod
that Apple is betting =
on, but=20
    iTunes (and its video>  > 
follow-up).  =
Apple is=20
    already putting iPod software on cell phones to>  =
> =20
    allow them to access iTunes.> 
>>  =
> =20
    Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything=20
    else.>  >  Apple caught him
napping in this =
space, and=20
    now he has to look like he> 
>  was out in front =
all=20
    along.>  >> 
>   =
/m> =20
    >> 
>>  >  On Fri, 20 May 2005
=

    14:01:23 +0100, Adam <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moesmailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes
A>>> =20
    >  wrote:> 
>>  >  =
>Randy=20
    wrote:>  > 
>>  >  =
>> I=20
    just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want
MORE....> =20
    >  >> > 
>  >> 500+ of =
AAC-encoded=20
    songs-sweet!>  > 
>> >  =
> =20
    >>  >  >Ditto.
I agree with Gates that the =
Ipod=20
    won't last & that the phones > 
>  >will =
eat it's=20
    lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3 =
> =20
    >  >player & an fm
radio....>  >  =

    >>  >  >A mondo
bizarro bit is that if you =
are=20
    listening to the radio or the mp3 > 
>  =
>player &=20
    someone calls you get the selected ringing tones....so if like=20
    >  >  >me you often
set your phone to silent =
for=20
    meetings etc & then "forget"
>  >  >to =
re-enable=20
    the ringer....then you are left wondering what's going on =
> =20
    >  >coz the music/radio just suddenly=20
    goes....silent....>  > 
>>  =
> =20
    ><G>> 
>  >>  > 
=
>I=20
    had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was =
very=20
    >  >  >impressed but {at}
the end of the day...I =
just=20
    wanted music + radio & a > 
>  >nice neat =
(small)=20
    phone.>  > 
>>  >  >I =
like the=20
    way most of them now try wifi first for any net related=20
    things.>  > 
>>  >  >I =
reckon=20
    we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" computer =
> =20
    >  >being the smartphone in their
pocket.> =20
    >  >>  > =20
>Adam

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