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to:	Rich
from:	Randy
date:	2005-05-22 19:09:56
subject:	Re: Defending your own nonsense
From: "Randy" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C55F01.D80EECF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I disagree - you both exhibit the same behaviors. =20 "Rich" wrote in message news:42911c76{at}w3.nls.net... I disagree. Even if so it is no excuse for mike miller's bad = behavior. Rich "Randy" wrote in message news:42911888{at}w3.nls.net... You're just as guilty.=20 "Rich" wrote in message news:4290ceaf{at}w3.nls.net... You should expect to be able to defend whatever nonsense you = post. If you post nonsense should you not expect to be called on it? = Should you not expect to defend it if questioned? Maybe you and mike = miller believe that you are above being challenged. mike miller we all = know has an agenda. Look at just this thread to see how when questioned = he either changes the topic or declares that he has nothing more to say = never actually defending any of his claims. Rich "Randy" wrote in message news:4290b4e2$1{at}w3.nls.net... In our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a = new chain=20 saw: everything is game for cutting down. As for his behavior here, here's a thought: I don't belive that = MSFT offers=20 training on being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely = seek it out=20 and reward it. Have a look at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/ = and do a=20 search for where the word "honest" appears. Then I saw this: "You may also call the Business Conduct Line at 1-877-320-MSFT = (6738). If=20 you are calling from outside the United States, you may make a = collect call=20 to the Business Conduct Line by accessing an international = operator and=20 asking to place a collect call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business = Conduct Line=20 is a dedicated, toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 = hours a=20 day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an = external=20 third-party vendor that has trained professionals to take your = calls, in=20 confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft Director = of Compliance=20 for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the Business Conduct = Line may be=20 made anonymously. " 'nuff said? "Mike '/m'" wrote in message=20 news:fb0191li9skdil3l444686d38bgr5un24f{at}4ax.com... > > I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich = Shupak's > diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online = discussions. > > What I wonder is if Microsoft's online persona go through some = manner of > training, because many of them seem to use the same tactics = over and > over. > > /m > > > On Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" wrote: > >>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr is right. >> "Rich" wrote in message news:428eb385{at}w3.nls.net... >> I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and = not know it.=20 >> Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims = that=20 >> everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying = more than=20 >> the obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is = a bet. I=20 >> can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence = that you are=20 >> voicing no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so = and before=20 >> doing so again. You are spinning so fast you can't see. >> >> As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and = never was.=20 >> Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue = your=20 >> dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention = how you=20 >> have no choice everytime you mention your use any of the very = large set=20 >> of non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft = enables for=20 >> Windows. >> >> Rich >> >> "Mike '/m'" wrote in message=20 >> news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev{at}4ax.com... >> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with = yourself. >> >> I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let = computers >> affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you = are >> projecting? >> >> >> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the = same if apple=20 >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store = they can use? >> >> I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that = Apple's=20 >> focus >> is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the = means, iTunes is >> the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even = that. >> Probably more of "too late to the party". >> >> Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to = expound=20 >> upon >> some "new direction", I know that Microsft has found = themelves behind >> the market leader and have belatedly realized that they = need to try to >> catch up. >> >> >> >> >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the = itunes store? >> >> Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very = interesting comment. >> >> I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would = they have >> chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' = emails=20 >> entered >> as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that = Microsoft needed >> to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the = defacto=20 >> browser >> "of choice". >> >> If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows = Media in=20 >> the >> percentages that they currently do? >> >> /m >> >> >> >> On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" wrote: >> >> > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with = yourself. >> > >> > Do you really think the itunes store would sell the = same if apple=20 >> did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store = they can use? >> > >> > If users are not locked in, why would they pick the = itunes store? >> > >> >Rich >> > >> > "Mike '/m'" wrote in message=20 >> news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp{at}4ax.com... >> > >> > It must really suck for your employer to be the loser = in the online >> > music race, eh Rich? >> > >> > Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am = actually=20 >> saying >> > that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video = successor), not=20 >> iPod. >> > I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to = spin. >> > >> > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya? >> > >> > /m >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" wrote: >> > >> > > If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you = could see the=20 >> obvious and how silly you sound. >> > > >> > > Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones = are winning=20 >> over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can = carry one? >> > > >> > > Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in = getting their=20 >> software onto phones. There is a difference from the ipod. = Unless apple=20 >> restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users = multiple choices,=20 >> the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock = in their=20 >> customers to the itunes store like apple does. >> > > >> > >Rich >> > > >> > > "Mike '/m'" wrote in message=20 >> news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo{at}4ax.com... >> > > >> > > It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes = (and its=20 >> video >> > > follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software = on cell=20 >> phones to >> > > allow them to access iTunes. >> > > >> > > Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen = than anything=20 >> else. >> > > Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he = has to look=20 >> like he >> > > was out in front all along. >> > > >> > > /m >> > > >> > > >> > > On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam=20 >> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > >Randy wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want = MORE.... >> > > >> >> > > >> 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet! >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last = & that the=20 >> phones >> > > >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I = got coz it has=20 >> an MP3 >> > > >player & an fm radio.... >> > > > >> > > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to = the radio=20 >> or the mp3 >> > > >player & someone calls you get the selected ringing = tones....so=20 >> if like >> > > >me you often set your phone to silent for meetings = etc & then=20 >> "forget" >> > > >to re-enable the ringer....then you are left = wondering what's=20 >> going on >> > > >coz the music/radio just suddenly = goes....silent.... >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, = symbian etc) & was=20 >> very >> > > >impressed but {at} the end of the day...I just wanted = music +=20 >> radio & a >> > > >nice neat (small) phone. >> > > > >> > > >I like the way most of them now try wifi first for = any net=20 >> related things. >> > > > >> > > >I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's = "personal"=20 >> computer >> > > >being the smartphone in their pocket. >> > > > >> > > >Adam >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C55F01.D80EECF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I disagree - you both exhibit the same behaviors.=20 "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42911c76{at}w3.nls.net... I = disagree. Even if so it=20 is no excuse for mike miller's bad behavior. Rich "Randy" <{at}> wrote in message news:42911888{at}w3.nls.net... You're just as guilty. "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:4290ceaf{at}w3.nls.net... You should expect to = be able to=20 defend whatever nonsense you post. If you post nonsense = should you=20 not expect to be called on it? Should you not expect to = defend it if=20 questioned? Maybe you and mike miller believe that you are = above=20 being challenged. mike miller we all know has an = agenda. Look=20 at just this thread to see how when questioned he either changes = the topic=20 or declares that he has nothing more to say never actually = defending any=20 of his claims. Rich "Randy" <{at}> wrote in message news:4290b4e2$1{at}w3.nls.net...In=20 our little corner of the world, Shupak acts like a kid with a = new chain=20 saw: everything is game for cutting down.As for his = behavior=20 here, here's a thought: I don't belive that MSFT offers = training on=20 being a boorish duplicitous asshole-they activiely seek it out = and=20 reward it.Have a look at http://www.micros" target="new">http://www.micros=">http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/">http://www.micros= oft.com/mscorp/legal/buscond/=20 and do a search for where the word "honest" = appears.Then I=20 saw this:"You may also call the Business Conduct Line at = 1-877-320-MSFT (6738). If you are calling from outside the = United=20 States, you may make a collect call to the Business Conduct = Line by=20 accessing an international operator and asking to place a = collect=20 call to 1-704-540-0139. The Business Conduct Line is a = dedicated,=20 toll-free phone line that is available to you 24 hours a = day, 7 days=20 a week, 365 days a year. It is operated by an external = third-party=20 vendor that has trained professionals to take your calls, in=20 confidence, and report your concerns to the Microsoft = Director of=20 Compliance for appropriate action. Your phone calls to the = Business=20 Conduct Line may be made anonymously. "'nuff=20 said?"Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com> wrote in = message=20 news:fb0191li9sk= dil3l444686d38bgr5un24f{at}4ax.com...>>=20 I think Joe Barr was just the first to see through Rich = Shupak's>=20 diversionary tactics [among other thigns] in online=20 discussions.>> What I wonder is if Microsoft's = online=20 persona go through some manner of> training, because many = of them=20 seem to use the same tactics over and>=20 over.>> = /m<shrug>>>> On=20 Sun, 22 May 2005 00:18:26 -0500, "Randy" <{at}>=20 wrote:>>>Who whould have thought that Joe Barr = is=20 right.>> "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:428eb385{at}w3.nls.net...>= > =20 I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know = it.=20 >> Read over your spin in this thread starting with = your=20 claims that >> everyone except the itunes store is a=20 loser. You are saying more than >> the obvious = that=20 apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I = >>=20 can't believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence = that you=20 are >> voicing no opinion on the itunes store both = after doing=20 so and before >> doing so again. You are = spinning so=20 fast you can't = see.>>>> As=20 for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never was.=20 >> Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go = ahead,=20 continue your >> dishonesty, and pretend you have = none. =20 Make sure you mention how you >> have no choice = everytime you=20 mention your use any of the very large set >> of = non-Microsoft=20 hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = >>=20 Windows.>>>> =20 Rich>>>> "Mike '/m'" = <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com> wrote in = message=20 >> news:mg5t819ipve= 721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev{at}4ax.com...>> =20 > Keep spinning if that is what you need to live = with=20 yourself.>>>> I live with = myself=20 just fine Rich. I find no need to let=20 computers>> affect my living=20 situation. But I have to wonder why you=20 are>> =20 = projecting?>>>>>> =20 > Do you really think the itunes store would sell = the=20 same if apple >> did not lock in ipod users so that = this was=20 the only store they can = use?>>>> I=20 voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that = Apple's=20 >> focus>> is on iTunes = and not=20 necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes=20 is>> the end. And Microsoft is = the=20 also-ran, perhaps not even that.>> = Probably=20 more of "too late to the=20 party".>>>> Whenever = Microsoft=20 feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound >>=20 upon>> some "new direction", I know = that=20 Microsft has found themelves = behind>> the=20 market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20 to>> catch=20 = up.>>>>>>>> =20 >> If users are not locked in, why would they pick the = itunes=20 store?>>>> Coming from a = Microsoft=20 employee, that is a very interesting=20 comment.>>>> I mean, if = the users=20 were not locked into Windows, would they=20 have>> chosen IE over = Netscape? It=20 seems that Microsoft execs' emails >>=20 entered>> as evidence in the = anti-trist=20 trials have stated that Microsoft = needed>> =20 to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto = >> browser>> "of=20 choice".>>>> If the users = were not=20 locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in >>=20 the>> percentages that they = currently=20 do?>>>> = /m<probably=20 = not...>>>>>>>>> &nb= sp;=20 On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, "Rich" <{at}>=20 wrote:>>>> = > Keep=20 spinning if that is what you need to live with=20 yourself.>> =20 >>> > Do you = really think=20 the itunes store would sell the same if apple >> did = not lock=20 in ipod users so that this was the only store they can=20 use?>> = >>> =20 > If users are not locked in, why would they pick = the=20 itunes store?>> =20 >>> =20 >Rich>> =20 >>> > "Mike '/m'" <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com> wrote in = message=20 >> news:s93t81dqsvf= 1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp{at}4ax.com...>> =20 >>> > It must really = suck for=20 your employer to be the loser in the=20 online>> > music race, eh=20 Rich?>> = >>> =20 > Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I = am=20 actually >> saying>> = > =20 that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video successor), not = >> iPod.>> > I = say no=20 more or no less. Despite what you try to=20 spin.>> = >>> =20 > Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will=20 ya?>> = >>> =20 > /m>> =20 >>> = >>> =20 >>> = >>> =20 >>> > On Fri, 20 May = 2005=20 17:15:01 -0700, "Rich" <{at}> = wrote:>> =20 >>> > > = If you=20 weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you could see the = >>=20 obvious and how silly you sound.>> =20 > >>> > =20 > Why will phones win out, for the same reason = phones are=20 winning >> over many PDA users? Why carry two = devices=20 when you can carry one?>> > = >>> > > = Apple=20 will follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their = >>=20 software onto phones. There is a difference from the = ipod. =20 Unless apple >> restricts their OEM licensees from = offering=20 their users multiple choices, >> the phone = manufacturers and=20 carriers have no reason to lock in their >> customers = to the=20 itunes store like apple does.>> = > =20 >>> > =20 >Rich>> > =20 >>> > > "Mike = '/m'"=20 <mike{at}barkto.com>">mailto:mike{at}barkto.com">mike{at}barkto.com> = wrote in=20 message >> news:55ns81lbitv= ndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo{at}4ax.com...>> =20 > >>> > = > It's=20 not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes (and its = >>=20 video>> > > =20 follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software on cell = >> phones to>> > =20 > allow them to access = iTunes.>> =20 > >>> > = > =20 Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything=20 >> else.>> > = > =20 Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he has to look=20 >> like he>> > = > =20 was out in front all along.>> = > =20 >>> > > =20 /m>> > =20 >>> > =20 >>> > > On Fri, = 20 May=20 2005 14:01:23 +0100, Adam >> <mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moesmailto:mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes">mmmmm_beer_mmmm_donuts{at}moes A>>>> =20 > > wrote:>> = > =20 >>> > > = >Randy=20 wrote:>> > > =20 >>> > > = >> I just=20 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want=20 MORE....>> > > =20 >>>> > > = >>=20 500+ of AAC-encoded songs-sweet!>> =20 > > >>>> = > =20 > >>> > = > =20 >Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last & = that the=20 >> phones>> > = > =20 >will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it = has=20 >> an MP3>> > = > =20 >player & an fm radio....>> =20 > > >>> = > =20 > >A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening = to the=20 radio >> or the mp3>> = > =20 > >player & someone calls you get the selected = ringing=20 tones....so >> if like>> =20 > > >me you often set your phone to silent = for=20 meetings etc & then >>=20 "forget">> > > = >to=20 re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's = >>=20 going on>> > > = >coz the=20 music/radio just suddenly=20 goes....silent....>> > = > =20 >>> > > =20 ><G>>> > = > =20 >>> > > >I = had a=20 look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) & was = >>=20 very>> > > = >impressed=20 but {at} the end of the day...I just wanted music + >> = radio=20 & a>> > > = >nice=20 neat (small) phone.>> > = > =20 >>> > > >I = like the=20 way most of them now try wifi first for any net >> = related=20 things.>> > > =20 >>> > > >I = reckon=20 we're 2-3 years out from most people's "personal" >>=20 computer>> > > = >being=20 the smartphone in their pocket.>> = > =20 > >>> > = > =20 >Adam>=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C55F01.D80EECF0-- --- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5 * Origin: Barktopia BBS Site http://HarborWebs.com:8081 (1:379/45) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 @PATH: 379/45 1 106/2000 633/267
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