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to: RON TAYLOR
from: FRED AUSTIN
date: 1998-01-04 02:02:00
subject: Carl Sagan on UFOs

 -=> Quoting RON TAYLOR to FRED AUSTIN <=-
    Hi Ron,
  >    So they claim to be true skeptics.  But a true  skeptic would  not 
ven
 >bother with this subject, they would  walk on.
 RT> You are still misusing the word, "skeptic".  True or otherwise, a
 RT> skeptic is just that... one who doesn't believe that a conclusion has
 RT> been reached.  If you wish to append the word "true" to imply that he
 RT> tends to disbelieve, then you have described me.
    I would propose that a true  skeptic still  would not  bother with 
let us say the  notion of  ET etc.   Whatever the  data.  It  has been 
demonstrated that both sides pro and  con have  a tendency  to distort 
facts.  Each for different  reasons.  My  only problem  with the  more 
zealous skeptics is I  find that  some points  or data  dismissed very 
easily with counter claims  such as  Venus etc  etc, sometimes  to the 
point of being ludicrous.  Also I find some claims on the zealous  pro 
side to be ludicrous.  Perhaps all should take a step back and  a deep 
breath.  This of course does no one any good.  Credibility is what  we 
all should seek, pro side and con side...
 > Perhaps
 >that is why our skeptical friends keep tabs on our emerging tales.  Because
 >deep down they know in theory  anything is  possible.  And  that this  is a
 >serious issue that needs to be settled one way or another..........
 RT> We agree, but for different reasons.  1) If the ET hypothesis is true,
 RT> we will be better off knowing the truth so we can exploit it to the
 RT> fullest for the benefit of mankind, and/or understanding it so we can
 RT> be prepared to guard against it.  And, 2) If the ET hypothesis is
 RT> false, there are millions of people being scammed by it. There are also
 RT> those that are so overwhelmed by it that they are partially or wholly
 RT> dysfunctional much the same as with any other psychological disorder.
 RT> You seem to lean toward the former case while I fall lean to the
 RT> latter. In either case, it needs to be put to rest.
    Ah the  keyword though  Ron is  agree.  My  minor profile  is semi 
accurate then.  Different reasons and different  motivations but  then 
the end is still the same.   Either way.   Your interest  is not  much 
different than mine.  Your points made  are quite  valid,I agree.   At 
least we have oddly found a middle ground,between skeptic and  pro, in 
a phenomenon that has many aspects.   And I  thought skeptics  and pro 
could not agree on anything (in theory).. :) ................
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