Hello rick,

On 23 Oct 16 09:29, rick christian wrote to Nicholas Boel:

 NB>> When compiling software on Linux, they are ASS U ME'ing you have
 NB>> the slightest idea on what you're actually doing with Linux
 NB>> (otherwise if there is a precompiled binary available, at least
 NB>> they choose to offer

 rc> That view point of Linux that you outline as some elitist OS, has
 rc> passed.

It's not an elitist OS, and I'm not outlining it as such. If you don't know how
to compile, then install via a package manager or try to find a binary package.
Plain and simple. This, however, will not guarantee you a specific version that
you're looking for, either.

 rc> And I've worked on all sorts of things from 68HC11 to big iron to PC's
 rc> and very little of that over that span has involved compiling.

 rc> I've been on Linux for over 20 years, and still the amount of
 rc> compiling I've done is minuscule, by choice and by the point it rarely
 rc> works.

I'm not sure what you've been working with, but just about everything on my
BBS/server machine has been compiled from source, and it "worked" every time.
I'm only pointing out your own attitude towards the situation, and your own
choice not to go that route.

While you talk it down and make sure everyone hears you, not many other people
here seem to have the same problems that you do. Heck, we're even here trying
to HELP you compile it, but since the README doesn't have ***EXACT***
instructions for you to follow, you have given it up completely and continue to
talk it down as impossible.

 rc> Right now most of what I do personally is python

 rc> Yes, I use Linux mainly because it is free! I don't give one hoot
 rc> about the source code, I couldn't care less. If there is an issue I
 rc> will file a bug report, the author will do their part fix it, release
 rc> new program. Rinse, repeat.

What does any of this have to do with compiling binkd or the husky project's
sources?

 NB>> If you don't like it that much.. there's alternatives (like
 NB>> Windows) you

 rc> There is the Linux Spirit! Don't like it leave! That ain't happening!
 rc> I refuse to use windumber.

I'm not sure why you're referring to it as the "Linux Spirit" whatsoever. That
"spirit" refers to anything you're going to sit online and cry about. If you
don't like it, don't use it. As I said in my previous message, during this time
of all these negative comments towards compiling software that you've typed out
repeatedly, you could have figured out how to compile all this software with
all the help that has already been provided for you (which you chose not to
read or use because you were too busy telling us how much you hated it).

 rc> A computer is a tool to achieve a goal. Not the goal to get it be able
 rc> to do the task. I don't work wise or personally have time to devote to
 rc> incomplete instructions to compile stuff. And I am not polluting
 rc> systems with 1000's of libs just in case I might some day compile
 rc> something that needs it.

There is no need for 1000's of libs to do anything. Now you're exaggerating to
try to prove a point you're never going to get across.

 rc> I've run into and put up with just the attitude you post in Linux
 rc> areas for decades. Let me reiterate that your view as compiling as
 rc> some litmus test precursor to the use of Linux is passe.

Double edged sword. Linux areas have put up with your talking negatively about
something as effortless as compiling software. People compile software on every
OS. It is nothing new to the world, and you either do it or you don't. But
you're going WAY out of your way to talk it down and if you notice, you're
basically on your own on this (ie: No one seems to agree with you). Probably
better to just move on, rather than continue your rants.

 rc> I do alot of things for work that probably are not up your alley be it
 rc> SQL be it php be it python be it sync'ng tx sites for a simulcast P25
 rc> TRS over 4 counties. Or why does one radio work and another is just
 rc> garbled in the same spot!???

 rc> I've had plenty of DBA's take a look at various SQL stuff and have no
 rc> clue what it does. So each has their skills...

 rc> I am not afraid to admit, that C is not in my wheelhouse, and I have
 rc> no interest in learning it! Period. Nor is compiling.

Again, I do not see what this has to do with compiling binkd or husky's
sources.

 rc> If you list COMPLETE FULL INSTRUCTIONS, then I have no problem. I've
 rc> seen that once. The rest just like you feel that I should do all the
 rc> heavy lifting to figure out how to install stuff. Here's the source,
 rc> you figure it out!

Perfection is not always achievable. Even in your own personal cases. Sorry to
burst your bubble.

 rc> Ok.. heres your radio... you figure it out! Theres about 30 buttons on
 rc> them, plus lets see the profiles have 200+ talkgroups on them, and not
 rc> all of them are monitored by anyone 24/7/365, and may not be active in
 rc> your area. Oh, and some are simplex mutal aid stuff.. But hey, heres
 rc> the radio YOU FIGURE IT OUT! Your life just may depend on it!

If that were the case (and it usually isn't), someone with enough ambition
would and could indeed figure it out. Trial and error is a method used in every
aspect of life.

Regards,
Nick

... "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'"
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