God Dan -> Ross Cassell wrote:

 >  GD> I've told you before, this is not a debate Echo.  It never was nor
 GD> can it
 GD>> ever be.  It is a place where fundy beliefs are BBQ'd right before
 GD> their
 GD>> eyes over the fires of facts.

 RC>> and I told you that this will be a debate echo.

 GD> It'll never happen, as all you will accomplish is silencing all
 GD> criticism of anything religious. That process is already underway.

Not at all chicken little..

Both sides will get an equal voice and been given equal amounts of rope..

In case you havent noticed the last few moderations have come against those
you would consider religionists.

 RC>>> There comes a point when Mr Sauer does not get nor deserves special
 RC>>> protections for the stuff he unleashes himself, unto himself. For me

 GD>> That's the biggest red herring I've seen yet.

 RC>> If it doesnt comport with your agenda, everything is a red herring.

 GD> No, Cassell, what you threw in is a Red Herring.  It's not about special
 GD> treatment for him.

No, your diversion is screaming about people using his real first name,
which is on every single legal document on file for him that recognizes him
as both an individual and as a citizen.

and which is not up to the level as to some of the words you used to
describe those whom disagreed with your ideals.

 RC>> God Dan isnt your real name, Otto is his real name, your indignance is
 RC>> ridiculous.

 GD> He goes by 'Ross'.  You've ruled on that before.

I have ruled on that elsewhere, not in here.

 RC>> I have not ruled against it in here or in MATZDOBRE... I shall not
 RC>> rule against it as long as I dont have a real names only rule.

 GD> Of course you don't have it in MATZDOBRE.  The Echo was puposely
 GD> designed to belittle a couple of people. I wonder what FIDO policy
 GD> has to say about that...

Absolutely nothing, you have been in the network long enough to know policy..

and what is the difference between MATZDOBRE which was created on behalf of
Charles Hunter, and this echo which was created to belittle religion and
those whom believe in it?

and are you not belittling Ed Hulett now over his Mormon faith and your
perception of his faith?

 >  RC> I find no abuse in using the name someone was given by his parents, he
 RC>> has been an adult for 30 years and has had ample time to have had it
 RC>> changed legally.

 GD> Continued usage and acceptance of another name is often sufficient, at
 GD> least for first names. I know at least 3 people who's real first name is
 GD> not what the use in public and pvt transactions.

Then blame Mr Suaer for revealing his first name, I believe it was he whom
transmitted his Military Discharge paperwork (DD214) to either Richard
Helms or Tim Richardson..

I will spell this out for you, the doors one opens to others which reveals
personal information about oneself, is their own. Meaning, it is their
fault.

 GD> It's obvious to one and all that he does not use "Otto". 
That name is
 GD> used by others just for annoyance.

and when you call people cowards, idiots, it is not for annoyance purposes,
because they wont reply to your questions in the way you desire?

I will type real slowly for you...

There is no rule in place forbidding the usage of ones real first name,
even if the act of doing so is meant to annoy. Considering the tone of your
own messages to others, contains many words or connotations meant to annoy,
I fail to see which ground you think you are standing on.

Do you want to sanitize this echo so that the rules are as strict as they
are in lets say POL_INC?


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