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from: DAVID H. LIPMAN
date: 2014-10-23 02:43:00
subject: Re: Another trojan from t

From: "FromTheRafters" 

> David H. Lipman expressed precisely :
>> From: "FromTheRafters" 
>>
>>> mendina@invalid.com explained :
>>>> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:46:33 -0400, "David H. Lipman"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: "~BD~" 
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is interesting to note that Malwarebytes is now being purported to 
>>>>>> be an *anti-virus* programme!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, it has been certified as such by West Coast Labs!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.westcoastlabs.com/checkmark/productList/checkmarkTestResult/?product
ID=516&techGroupID=27&from=v
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always understood that one should only ever have one AV product 
>>>>>> active at any one time, yet MBAM claims that it "Compatible with most 
>>>>>> major antiviruses"  http://www.malwarebytes.org/products/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you any idea how Malwarebytes can do that when none of the other 
>>>>>> providers can do so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D.
>>>>>
>>>>> It isn't Malwarebytes making the claim.
>>>>> It is some idiot who just setup a web site in July.
>>>>
>>>> You're wrong, as usual with your defending these flimflam artists.
>>>>
>>>> It is right on this page.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.malwarebytes.org/products/
>>>>
>>>> Malwarebytes Anti-Malware Free
>>>>
>>>> Detects and removes malware your antivirus will miss.
>>>>
>>>>     Detects new (zero-hour) malware your antivirus will miss
>>>>     Removes even the most deeply embedded malware
>>>>     Doesn't cost you a dime
>>>>     Compatible with most major antiviruses
>>>
>>> That doesn't say what you think it does.
>>>
>> It never states itself to be an anti virus.
>> It states compatibility with "most" anti virus applications and detects 
>> "malware" an anti virus application may miss.
>>
>> There is no explicit nor implicit statement promoting the product as an 
>> "anti virus".
>>
>> I am not wrong in this case and while occasionally I may be wrong, one 
>> can not ascribe "as usual" to me being wrong which confers thae idea that 
>> David H. Lipman is wrong more often than right.
>>
>> Additionally, the derrogatory term "flimflam artist" can't be ascribed to 
>> Malwarebytes.  While they screw up and the management sucks, etc, they 
>> are an ethical and fair company.
>
> Agreed. OTOH I sent an e-mail to WCL and haven't as yet received a reply. 
> I suspect that their definition of virus differs from ours.
>

It is a very important distinction.

For it to be classed as an anti virus application it would have to be able 
to remove malicious code that had been prepended, appended or cavity 
injected into a legitimate file and bring the file, as best it can, to its 
pre-infected state.  This may or may not return an infected file back to its 
original checksum value.


-- 
Dave
Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp 

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