God Dan -> Ross Cassell wrote:

 RC>> Both sides will get an equal voice and been given equal amounts of
 RC>> rope..

 GD> How?  By calling points of issue of a religion a personal attack?

You lost the debate if all you can do is resort to a spit spewing tirade.

Which all I have seen you do is grill Hulett and expect specific answers from him.

But I havent moderated anyone for this, seems to me the only moderating
that has been going on was against content being drug into here from other
echoes and for people arguing with the moderators.

 RC>> In case you havent noticed the last few moderations have come against
 RC>> those you would consider religionists.

 GD> They are only here to abuse the openess of the echo in doing actual
 GD> oersonal
 GD> attacks. They have never added anything into the mix.

Maybe if you start qualifying your debating points with adult debate and
not childish outbursts and name calling, nah, I am asking too much.

Is it me or has Mr Wilson noticed this as well?

 RC>> No, your diversion is screaming about people using his real first
 RC>> name, which is on every single legal document on file for him that
 RC>> recognizes him as both an individual and as a citizen.

 GD> It all comes down as yo how he identifies himself.

Irrelevant, you bringing up and ptotesting the usage of his name is a diversion.

 GD>> Of course you don't have it in MATZDOBRE.  The Echo was puposely
 GD>> designed to belittle a couple of people. I wonder what FIDO policy
 GD>> has to say about that...

 RC>> Absolutely nothing, you have been in the network long enough to know
 RC>> policy..

 GD> That's not my understanding of it, as with the (?)WITT Echo.

I was there at the creation of MATZDOBRE, it later became a roasting pit
for Sauer and Chirnside, both willing participants..

Right now its just a wide open echo.

The Wittless echo was Bob Seaborns thing and never was backboned, it wasa
private echo.

 RC>> and what is the difference between MATZDOBRE which was created on
 RC>> behalf of Charles Hunter, and this echo which was created to belittle
 RC>> religion and those whom believe in it?

 GD> You still don't get it.  The religionoids are gree to wander in or out of
 GD> the Echo.  The expressed purpose of this Echo is to have fun with their
 GD> silly beliefs.

I told you that the expressed purpose of this echo was to open it up for
religious debate, the old days are gone.

No longer is the days of Fidonet when you had thousands or hundreds of
sysops and users to choose from, what we have left is a network of diehards
whom prefer Fidonet to usenet. The style of this echo no longer fits that
mold, given the subject matter.

You aint going to have debating opponents on the subject matter if you
drive them away.

 RC>> and are you not belittling Ed Hulett now over his Mormon faith and
 RC>> your perception of his faith?

 GD> I've seen his lack of faith in his holy book in action.  This Echo is
 GD> for calling those beliefs into question.

I didnt say otherwise.

But he is also free to question your beliefs or anyone elses.

 GD>> Continued usage and acceptance of another name is often sufficient, at
 GD>> least for first names. I know at least 3 people who's real first
 GD> name is
 GD>> not what the use in public and pvt transactions.

 RC>> Then blame Mr Suaer for revealing his first name, I believe it was he

 GD> No, I blamne those that he intrusted with that knowledge from abusing it.


No, Sauer didnt entrust anyone with confidential details with any
assurances of secrecy, he foolishly sent it to prove some point that he
didnt have to prove.

 GD> The entering of this Echo meant that one's religious beliefs were
 GD> fully open to question. Other personal business was not on the table.

Change that to read that enterring this echo, means everyones beliefs or
lack thereof, are open to question.

"Belief" extends beyond religion, but you knew that.

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