The onus is on the IFR pilot to communicate in a way that is understandable 
by everyone. VFR pilots should not have to take extraordinary actions in 
order to understand a transmission.

Bob Gardner

"Robert M. Gary"  wrote in message 
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On Jan 15, 7:50 pm, "John"  wrote:
> But I would expect that the student would have been taught to look around
> him. If he's VFR then he should see and avoid. Just as NORDO traffic may
> be in the area, so may traffic giving you references you don't know about.
> Not to mention the fact that procedure turns and final approach fixes are
> about 5 miles from the touchdown zone so by definition well outside the
> pattern.

Agreed but the topic keeps changing. Yes, its nice to tell students
about some IFR waypoints in the area but it is clearly wrong for the
IFR pilot to use references that a VFR pilot would not be expected to
know. The purpose of announcement is to communicate, using lingo that
only a portion of pilots will know does not accomplish that.
I'm still confused if people disagree that the IFR pilot was in error
in this case or if they are just saying its a nice extra for VFR
pilots to know IFR points at some airports.

-Robert
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