Hello Oliver,

On Saturday November 23 2019 21:08, you wrote to me:

 MvdV>> It is my considered opinion that the ship of Fidonet is on
 MvdV>> collision course with an iceberg. There is no reason for panic,
 MvdV>> there is enough time for a change of course. But denial is not
 MvdV>> a good strategy at this point.

 OT> And I thought Fidonet is already dead in the water ;).

It is the iceberg that is moving. ;-)

 OT> Fidonet did run over POTS. Nodes will always find ways to connect,
 OT> that's part of the hobby. I don't see any dangerous icebergs.

So you are in denial.

 OT>>> My parents switched from Telekom (6 Mbit/s) to Innogy (50+
 OT>>> Mbit/s). The new one uses an IP from the 100.64.0.0/64 range.

 MvdV>> And no Ipv6? Then you are on a maimed internet connection.

 Ol> It should be illegal :).

It should be non profitable, that is much more effective.

 OT>>> First I didn't know that these are non-public IP addresses and
 OT>>> wondered why port forwarding in the router didn't work.

 MvdV>> You were nodelisted over 20 years ago, so you are no longer a
 MvdV>> teenager. I am not going to ask you why you depend on the
 MvdV>> Internet connection of your parents.

 OT> I don't and I can't, we live in different cities. I was visiting them
 OT> and and had free time to install Fido software on my Raspberry Pi. It
 OT> was just an example for a provider that neither offers proper IPv4
 OT> nor IPv6 connectivity (at the moment).

That is not how you presented it. You didn't say you were on visit there. You
presented it as if it were your one and only Fdionet connection. I hate being
put on the wrong foot by people who leave out essential information.

 OT> Please don't jump to conclusions about others too fast. I will not
 OT> tell much about my private life in Fidonet while the psychopaths
 OT> lurking in the background.

Thanks for the warning. From now on I will keep in mind that you tell only half
the story...

 MvdV>> But... IPv6 addresses are free. New ISPs offering no IPv6 are
 MvdV>> doing something wrong.

 OT> True

So we agree on that.

 MvdV>>>> Binkd already has build in encryption...

 OT>>> Not really secure.

 MvdV>> It does not bother me.

What are you trying to hide from whom?

 MvdV>> However... for those interested in encryption:

 MvdV>> 1) Mandatory implementation of IPsec is part of the IPv6 specs.
 MvdV>> IPsec includes encryption pf the packet payload. So with IPv6
 MvdV>> you can have encryption without messing with the implemantation
 MvdV>> layer.

 OT> Nobody understands IPsec ;)

Good. Security by obscurity.

 MvdV>> 2) In Fidonet I have used encryption on the message level. This
 MvdV>> I find much more useful than TLS or other session level
 MvdV>> encryption. Only end to end encryption on the message level
 MvdV>> protects against nosy sysops reading in transit routed netmail.

 OT> You are right, we should not forget e2e message encryption, but it
 OT> doesn't protect the metadata.

Again: what are you trying to hide from whom? So far Fidonet has managed to
remain below the radar of the ones that really bother me: State secuity
agencies. The best strategy to remain below the radar is to not draw attention.
Using TOR will just draw the attention of those inteterested in people trying
to hide something. There is no way to hide the origin of messages in Fidonet
anyway.

 MvdV>> When Fidonet netmail still heavily depended on routing, there
 MvdV>> was a lot of resistance against routing encrypted mail. Hence
 MvdV>> the ENC flag. I have been carrying it from day one.

 OT> +1

However now that crashing mail to the other side of the world is no longer cost
prohibitive, it is no longer all that important.

 MvdV>> My definition of "universal connectivity" is that every node
 MvdV>> can connect to every other node. That implies a common protocol
 MvdV>> for every sender-receiver pair.

 OT> I don't have any doubt that most nodes will connect over IPv6 in the
 OT> future, but alternative transports were always part of Fidonet.

And always were detrimental to connectivity.

 MvdV>> I don't think connections over TOR or similar will ever become
 MvdV>> a wide spread method of connection in Fidonet. For a variety of
 MvdV>> reasons...

 OT> Most likely not in Fidonet, but maybe in some othernets. People are
 OT> already using zerotier.

I am a member of Fidonet. Ik am not interested in othernets.

Cheers, Michiel

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