-=> Quoting Ray Rooney to Guy Putnam <=-
 RR> Oh, I see, and voting for a candidate who 
 RR> could only win in a fantasy
 RR> world is? 
 
 GP> That all depends on how many gun owners vote anti-
 GP> gun with their head up a
 GP> Fascist fantasy.
 
 RR> Exactly. But we aren't going to elect a practical non-entity. Even
 RR> Perot, with all the hype the media is giving him is not going to get
 RR> in. The best we can hope for is to get Bill OUT. 
Don't be so sure a pro-gun president can't be elected.  The anti-gun vote
is going to be split 3 ways:  Dole-Klinton-peRot.
 GP> They didn't feel any better in the Nazi camps, & 
 GP> they did elect Hitler.
 
 RR> I seriously doubt a majority in the camps voted for the National
 RR> Socialists. Most likely they wasted their votes on third or fourth
 RR> party candidates. 
The majority of Germans _did_ vote for Hitler . . . in the '30s, before
they were put in the camps.
 RR> Anyone who throws away a chance to slow the 
 RR> juggernaut is guilty of allowing it to succeed. 
 
 GP> Those who oppose it with their vote are not guilty of allowing it to
 GP> succeed.  Riding the juggernaut, regardless of how 
 GP> slow it goes, is going
 GP> to get you there!
 RR> The juggernaut is Clinton & Co. 
Hardly . . . the juggernaut is the Fourth Reich in America.  Klinton is no
more than one of the wheels.
 RR> Show me where I ever endorsed him.
You openly endorse the anti-gunner Dole.  Dole is another of the
juggernaut's wheels.
  
 RR> The only thing career politicians understand is being in danger of
 RR> losing their careers. 
If they stay faithful to their those who's bribes they take, they never
lose their careers.  Take Jimmy Carter for example.  Notice how he is
always sent to overseas trouble spots to negotiate & make deals for the US
on behalf of the international fascists.
 GP> Dole didn't have any reason to hold back on the 
 GP> magazine ban, the Brady
 GP> Bill, the Terror Bill, NAFTA or GATT . . . because 
 GP> he knew that even though
 GP> he made sure you can't buy anymore magazines & have to wait on your
 GP> pistols, that you would vote for him anyway.  He 
 GP> was right!  Once he sees
 GP> you all vote for him after what he's done, he will 
 GP> have no reason to hold
 GP> back, either, will he?
 
 RR> Dole is like every other career politician. He will go with the
 RR> prevailing wind. If the gun-owners are that wind he will cater to
 RR> them. If the antis are the wind he'll suck (up to) them. 
Absolutely not.  Dole will go with those who bribe & control him, just like
Klinton.
 RR> If the gun owners are wandering in the wilderness they aren't a force. 
 RR> Is that what you want? Well, that's what will 
 RR> happen if people vote for invisible candidates.  
What makes gun owners a non-force is when they vote against their own self
interests.  Voting anti-gun doesn't make you much of a force, does it?
 RR> We shook the country two years ago by showing that senators and
 RR> congressmen who trample our rights become EX-senators and
 RR> EX-congressmen. 
Well what are you going to show Dole after he passed the Brady Bill & mag
ban . . . huh?
 
 RR> What we won and immediately let slip through our fingers was a
 RR> perception that we held the power to elect or defeat candidates. 
Who let it slip through their fingers?  Just because the Repubs ignored us
doesn't mean we aren't here for the next election.  Lets show Dole &
Klinton, just like Texas voter showed Foley & Brooks.
 RR> Had
 RR> we held onto that we wouldn't be in this situation now. Everyone has
 RR> rationalized away the influence of the pro-rkba faction. 
You listen to too much color TV "news."
 RR> Had they
 RR> thought we still held the power they'd have never risked voting for
 RR> that junk 
They voted for junk because that's what they took bribes to do.  They are
busy building a fascist America.
 GP> If gunowners can't grow the balls to stop voting 
 GP> for anti-gunners, so there
 GP> isn't going to be any "victory down the road."  Notice that its always
 GP> "down the road," but just this last time, lets vote 
 GP> anti-gun again.  _This_
 GP> time its just so "important" that I have to vote anti-gun, again!
 
 GP> Meanwhile, what will we loose next?  An ammo ban?  
 GP> If you ever want to vote
 GP> for a pro-gun president, you had better do it now.  
 GP> There may not be any
 GP> more elections . . . .
 
 RR> You don't win elections by voting for impossible candidates. It
 RR> changes nothing. 
You mean impossible candidates like the unknown Steve Stockman, opposing
the Chariman of Judiciary, Jack Brooks?
 RR> If everyone here voted for Browne he'd still come in behind Perot. 
If 70 million gun owners voted for him, where did you say he would come in?
 RR> Equally, you don't win converts to uour cause by shouting that they've
 RR> got no balls if they disagree. 
Not if they disagree with me, but if they cast an anti-gun vote, like for
Dole.
 RR> All I have seen you do here is alienate people and insult them. 
No, that's just what you have heard Earnest accuse me of.  All I have done
is simply identify Dole as an anti-gunner, along with those people who vote
for him.  If they want to vote anti-gun, they insult themselves.  I don't
make them cast anti-gun votes.
 RR> Some way to build support. 
 RR> Going by your plan of action we may as well stay home on election day.
Your plan of action is to vote for the man that wrote the Brady Bill.  I
suppose that really builds support . . . .
 RR> We're doomed no matter what. Just wrap the guns up for collection by
 RR> the authorities when they come. 
That's about the size of it.  If Browne or Collins received the
overwhelming majority of the popular vote, do you think the vote tally
computers would reflect it?  Just who owns the company that tallies the
votes, anyway?
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