From: "John Cuccia" 

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Jeff,

Archaic or not, the language of a law is all there is.  Or do you mean =
that we shouldn't take laws at face value?

Besides, the fact that the perpetrators of that particular piece of =
language couldn't see beyond their own monotheistic beliefs is what = makes
it objectionable.

"Jeff Shultz"  wrote in message
news:3925b49c{at}w3.nls.net...
  Give it a little credit for archaic language.... there wasn't much =
outside
  the Judeo-Christian sphere when it was written. Any state organization
  challenging a religious anything solely on the grounds of that =
language
  would find the state judical system happily digging them a grave.

  --
  Jeff Shultz
  http://www.wvi.com/~jbshultz
  As a student, my job is asking questions.


  "John Cuccia"  wrote in message
  news:3925b127{at}w3.nls.net...
  > I think that Section 2 serves to limit religious beliefs.  What =
about
  > "Almight Gods"?  Or almight gods?  Or Goddesses?  What about =
religions
  that
  > don't recognize any deity(ies)?
  >
  > "Bill Lucy"  wrote in message
  > news:MPG.138f5a9ad9f966a59898f2{at}news.barkto.com...
  > > In article , si{at}wvi.com says...
  > > > In the cases I've heard recently, it's actually been the cities =
that
  are
  > doing the harassing, trying to limit the size of services to =
ridiculously
  > low numbers (70 people in a church built for 700 person services, =
etc...)
  > > >
  > > > AFIAK, the Oregon Constitution has Religious Freedom written =
into it.
  > >
  > >
  > > From the Constitution of the State of Oregon:
  > >
  > > Article I.
  > > Bill of Rights
  > >
  > > Section 2. Freedom of worship. All men shall be secure in the =
Natural
  > right, to
  > > worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own
  consciences.-
  > >
  > > Section 3. Freedom of religious opinion. No law shall in any case
  whatever
  > > control the free exercise, and enjoyment of religeous (sic) =
opinions, or
  > > interfere with the rights of conscience.-
  > >
  > > Section 4. No religious qualification for office. No religious =
test
  shall
  > be
  > > required as a qualification for any office of trust or profit.-
  > >
  > > Section 5. No money to be appropriated for religion. No money =
shall be
  > drawn
  > > from the Treasury for the benefit of any religeous (sic), or =
theological
  > > institution, nor shall any money be appropriated for the payment =
of any
  > > religeous (sic) services in either house of the Legislative =
Assembly.-
  > >
  > > Section 6. No religious test for witnesses or jurors. No person =
shall be
  > > rendered incompetent as a witness, or juror in consequence of his
  opinions
  > on
  > > matters of religeon (sic); nor be questioned in any Court of =
Justice
  > touching
  > > his religeous (sic) belief to affect the weight of his testimony.-
  > >
  >



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Jeff,
 
Archaic or not, the language of a law is all there =
is. =20
Or do you mean that we shouldn't take laws at face value?
 
Besides, the fact that the perpetrators of that =
particular=20
piece of language couldn't see beyond their own monotheistic beliefs is = what=20
makes it objectionable.
 
"Jeff Shultz" <si{at}wvi.com>">mailto:si{at}wvi.com">si{at}wvi.com> =
wrote in=20
message news:3925b49c{at}w3.nls.net...
Give=20
  it a little credit for archaic language.... there wasn't much =
outsidethe=20
  Judeo-Christian sphere when it was written. Any state=20
  organizationchallenging a religious anything solely on the grounds =
of that=20
  languagewould find the state judical system happily digging them a =

  grave.--Jeff Shultzhttp://www.wvi.com/~jbshultz=">http://www.wvi.com/~jbshultzhttp://www.wvi.com/~jbshultz">http://www.wvi.com/~jbshultz=
>As a=20
  student, my job is asking
questions."John Cuccia"
<jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>">mailto:jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com">jcuccia{at}bigfoot.com>
wrote =
in=20
  messagenews:3925b127{at}w3.nls.net...>=
 I=20
  think that Section 2 serves to limit religious beliefs.  What=20
  about> "Almight Gods"?  Or almight
gods?  Or =
Goddesses? =20
  What about religionsthat> don't recognize any=20
  deity(ies)?>> "Bill Lucy"
<blucy{at}mediaone.net>">mailto:blucy{at}mediaone.net">blucy{at}mediaone.net>
wrote in =

  message> news:MPG.138f5a9=
ad9f966a59898f2{at}news.barkto.com...>=20
  > In article <3924ce17$1{at}w3.nls.net>,">mailto:3924ce17$1{at}w3.nls.net">3924ce17$1{at}w3.nls.net>,
=
si{at}wvi.com">mailto:si{at}wvi.com">si{at}wvi.com
says...> > > In =
the cases=20
  I've heard recently, it's actually been the cities
thatare> =
doing=20
  the harassing, trying to limit the size of services to =
ridiculously>=20
  low numbers (70 people in a church built for 700 person services,=20
  etc...)> > >> >
> AFIAK, the Oregon =
Constitution has=20
  Religious Freedom written into it.>
>> >> =
> From=20
  the Constitution of the State of Oregon:>
>> > =
Article=20
  I.> > Bill of Rights>
>> > Section 2. =
Freedom of=20
  worship. All men shall be secure in the Natural> right, =
to> >=20
  worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their=20
  ownconsciences.-> >>
> Section 3. Freedom of =
religious=20
  opinion. No law shall in any casewhatever>
> control the =
free=20
  exercise, and enjoyment of religeous (sic) opinions, or>
> =
interfere=20
  with the rights of conscience.->
>> > Section 4. =
No=20
  religious qualification for office. No religious
testshall> =

  be> > required as a qualification for any office
of trust or =

  profit.-> >> > Section 5.
No money to be =
appropriated for=20
  religion. No money shall be> drawn>
> from the =
Treasury for=20
  the benefit of any religeous (sic), or theological> > =
institution,=20
  nor shall any money be appropriated for the payment of any> =
>=20
  religeous (sic) services in either house of the Legislative =
Assembly.->=20
  >> > Section 6. No religious test for witnesses or =
jurors. No=20
  person shall be> > rendered incompetent as a witness, or =
juror in=20
  consequence of hisopinions>
on> > matters of =
religeon=20
  (sic); nor be questioned in any Court of Justice> =
touching> >=20
  his religeous (sic) belief to affect the weight of his =
testimony.->=20
 
>>

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