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I can say the same thing about the products you create that allow such =
things to be built in the first place, and you knowingly allow such = tools
to get into such hands-why?=20
  "Rich"  wrote in message news:42c7595a{at}w3.nls.net...
     No.  It's like putting knives in the drawer for knives.  If someone =
wants a knife they will do what it takes to get one.

     Again, you are an ISP.  Why don't you "fix" this.  You knowingly =
allow virus, trojans, and other malicious packages to travel over the =
networks you supply to and manage for your customers and yet you do =
nothing about it.  Why?

  Rich

    "Geo"  wrote in message
news:42c754b3{at}w3.nls.net...
    No I don't want to make it so difficult as to discourage all users, =
I just don't want dangerous things shoved in the users face, that's like =
putting knives in the toybox instead of in the knife draw.

    Yes I know some will still infect themselves, but if they know how =
to open a password infected zip file they can figure out that it was a =
virus and clean their computers.

    As for finding where they saved a file, it's a simple enough test, =
if they find it then it's ok to let them infect themselves. It's the = ones
who can't find it that will be protected by removing the "open" =
choice when downloading.

    Geo.
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:42c728fc$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         So of the models I have discussed with John you believe the =
middle one, make the steps required so difficult as to discourage users =
from completing the task they want to.  Do you remember that some of =
these people still infected themselves when they received a password =
protected ZIP file via email, saved the ZIP file, extracted it with =
password, found and ran the trojan just extracted?

         On a similar note, why do you think that someone that ignored =
the warnings to open a file will not be able to find what they saved and =
open it while those that do understand the risk and not being fooled = will
have no trouble finding and opening the file they saved?

         If you think you need protection from new or clueless users, =
why don't you in your role as ISP block access to any unsafe content =
until your customers demonstrate to you that they are capable of =
exercising good judgement?

      Rich

        "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:42c702ec$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        Hell yes I want the ability to download from the web and I'm =
certainly not suggesting removing that ability, but at the same time I =
don't believe there should be a choice of save to disk or open, get rid =
of the open choice. Force users to learn how to navigate a disk tree and =
figure out where the hell they downloaded something to.

        That minimal requirement would stop the newest users in their =
tracks. You wouldn't have computers getting infected by totally (and I = do
mean TOTALLY) clueless users.

        Geo.


          "Rich"  wrote in message news:42c6d606{at}w3.nls.net...
             ?  Answer the question.  Do you want the ability to =
download from the web to be unavailable to you and everyone else because =
some users do stupid things?

          Rich


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I can say the same thing about the products you =
create that=20
allow such things to be built in the first place, and you knowingly = allow such=20
tools to get into such hands-why? 

  "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42c7595a{at}w3.nls.net...
    
No.  It's like =
putting knives=20
  in the drawer for knives.  If someone wants a knife they will do =
what it=20
  takes to get one.
   
     Again,
you are an =
ISP.  Why=20
  don't you "fix" this.  You knowingly allow virus, =
trojans, and other=20
  malicious packages to travel over the networks you supply to and =
manage for=20
  your customers and yet you do nothing about it.  =
Why?
   
  Rich
   
  

    "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
    wrote in message news:42c754b3{at}w3.nls.net...
    No I don't want to make it so =
difficult as to=20
    discourage all users, I just don't want dangerous things shoved in =
the users=20
    face, that's like putting knives in the toybox instead of in the =
knife=20
    draw.
     
    Yes I know some will still infect =
themselves,=20
    but if they know how to open a password infected zip file they can =
figure=20
    out that it was a virus and clean their computers.
     
    As for finding where they saved a =
file, it's a=20
    simple enough test, if they find it then it's ok to let them infect=20
    themselves. It's the ones who can't find it that will be protected =
by=20
    removing the "open" choice when downloading.
     
    Geo.
    

      "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42c728fc$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         So
of the models I =
have=20
      discussed with John you believe the middle one, make the steps =
required so=20
      difficult as to discourage users from completing the task they =
want=20
      to.  Do you remember that some of these people still infected =

      themselves when they received a password protected ZIP file via =
email,=20
      saved the ZIP file, extracted it with password, found and ran the =
trojan=20
      just extracted?
       
         On
a similar note, =
why do you=20
      think that someone that ignored the warnings to open a file will =
not be=20
      able to find what they saved and open it while those that do =
understand=20
      the risk and not being fooled will have no trouble finding and =
opening the=20
      file they saved?
       
         If
you think you =
need protection=20
      from new or clueless users, why don't you in your role as ISP =
block access=20
      to any unsafe content until your customers demonstrate to you that =
they=20
      are capable of exercising good judgement?
       
      Rich
       
      

        "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20
        wrote in message news:42c702ec$1{at}w3.nls.net...
        Hell yes I want the ability to =
download=20
        from the web and I'm certainly not suggesting removing that =
ability, but=20
        at the same time I don't believe there should be a choice of =
save to=20
        disk or open, get rid of the open choice. Force users to learn =
how to=20
        navigate a disk tree and figure out where the hell they =
downloaded=20
        something to.
         
        That minimal requirement would =
stop=20
        the newest users in their tracks. You wouldn't have =
computers=20
        getting infected by totally (and I do mean TOTALLY) clueless=20
        users.
         
        Geo.
         
         
        

          "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42c6d606{at}w3.nls.net...
            
?  Answer =
the=20
          question.  Do you want the ability to download from the =
web to be=20
          unavailable to you and everyone else because some users do =
stupid=20
          things?
           
          Rich
           
           

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