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to: TOMMI KOIVULA
from: MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
date: 2019-11-12 23:57:00
subject: TZUTC kludge

Hello Tommi,

On Tuesday November 12 2019 18:34, you wrote to me:

 MV>> Indeed, that too is annoying. The TZUTC kludge was introduced in
 MV>> 1997 by Odinn S›rensen per FSP-1001. TWENTY TWO YEARS AGO! It was
 MV>> documented as a standard (FTS-4008) by the FTSC in 2003. SIXTEEN
 MV>> YEARS ago! There is really no excuse for not implementing it. It
 MV>> isn't rocket science. :(

 TK> We can live without ^AREPLY but nowadays messages go around the world
 TK> in seconds. That's why ^TZUTC would be quite nice to have when sorting
 TK> messages by time/date.

It is my considered opinion that the TZUTC kludge is indeed a kludge. I.e. a
measure to compensate for a design flaw. The founding fathers of Fidonet flawed
by using local time instead of UTC when sending messages across the world. Hams
- that are well represented in Fidonet - have been using UTC (previously GMT)
in international communications almost from the start. So why the founding
fathers choose to use local time in messages is a mystery to me. Anyway, that
is how it is and the TZUTC kludge is a workaround that works. 
So why make things difficult and refuse to implement it?


Cheers, Michiel

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