On 12/11/2019 08:30, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> His ideas did not survive mass exposure.

 LL> Tom Jennings has survived for decades without ever having a job.

But his association with Fidonet ceased.

 LL> Fidonet has survived for decades without ever having others telling
 LL> sysops (and participants) what to do.

If we do NOT adhere to the technical specs our systems do not connect to each
other.

 O>>> What would happen if we dumped P4 and got rid of the *Cs?

 DD>> Who will allocate the node numbers and manage the net segs? What common
tech
 DD>> specs will they use?

 LL> Ask your NC.

Wasn't Oli's plan to dump him?

 O>>> Are there any documents of the policies before 4.07?

 LL> Of course.

 O>>> I joined Fidonet in 1993.

 LL> Thanks to the NC who provided Oli with a node number.

After Oli fulfilled enough of the procedures required of him

 O>>> At that time P4 was already in place.

 LL> P4 is void, and has no standing.  Individuals were never dependent
 LL> on P4 to be able to obtain a node number before or after P4.

Node numbers were assigned under some other agreed procedure in those days.

If people do not agree to meet on some common ground then communication doesn't
take place.

 DD>> It was in place when I joined in the mid/late 80s.

 LL> P4 was not even written until 1989.  Furthermore, it has never been
 LL> "in place" since it was void from the beginning.

Then it must have been an earlier version. I obtained a document which laid out
the procedure for obtaining a node number. I performed that procedure and I
received a node number.

 LL> Got anything else to make up?

I do not claim that my memory of minor things that happened 30-something years
ago to be perfect in the smallest detail.

I have a node number - do you?

We've told you how to obtain one but you keep bitching about the legalities of
the procedure.

Until you agree to some procedure common to you and the person you're applying
to very little progress to you node being listed is likely.

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Regards
David

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