RR> Oh, I see, and voting for a candidate who 
 RR> could only win in a fantasy
 RR> world is? 
 GP> That all depends on how many gun owners vote anti-
 GP> gun with their head up a
 GP> Fascist fantasy.
 
Exactly. But we aren't going to elect a practical non-entity. Even Perot, 
with all the hype the media is giving him is not going to get in. The best we 
can hope for is to get Bill OUT.
 
 GP> They didn't feel any better in the Nazi camps, & 
 GP> they did elect Hitler.
 
I seriously doubt a majority in the camps voted for the National Socialists. 
Most likely they wasted their votes on third or fourth party candidates.
 
 RR> Anyone who throws away a chance to slow the 
 RR> juggernaut is guilty of
 RR> allowing it to succeed. 
 GP> Those who oppose it with their vote are not guilty of allowing it to
 GP> succeed.  Riding the juggernaut, regardless of how 
 GP> slow it goes, is going
 GP> to get you there!
 
The juggernaut is Clinton & Co. Show me where I ever endorsed him.
 
The only thing career politicians understand is being in danger of losing 
their careers. A lot of people voted for Perot last time. What did they/we 
get for it? All the things Perot fought are either now law and the things he 
wanted have still not happened. And we have Hill, Bill, & Co.
 
 GP> Dole didn't have any reason to hold back on the 
 GP> magazine ban, the Brady
 GP> Bill, the Terror Bill, NAFTA or GATT . . . because 
 GP> he knew that even though
 GP> he made sure you can't buy anymore magazines & have to wait on your
 GP> pistols, that you would vote for him anyway.  He 
 GP> was right!  Once he sees
 GP> you all vote for him after what he's done, he will 
 GP> have no reason to hold
 GP> back, either, will he?
 
Dole is like every other career politician. He will go with the prevailing 
wind. If the gun-owners are that wind he will cater to them. If the antis are 
the wind he'll suck (up to) them. If the gun owners are wandering in the 
wilderness they aren't a force.
 
 RR> Is that what you want? Well, that's what will 
 RR> happen if people vote
 RR> for invisible candidates.  
 RR> We shook the country two years ago by showing that senators and
 RR> congressmen who trample our rights become EX-senators and
 RR> EX-congressmen. 
 GP> 98 Senators voted for the "Crime" Bill.  Most are 
 GP> still there.  If this
 GP> fact doesn't demonstrate to you that both factions 
 GP> of the DemoPublicans are
 GP> Fascist, what will it take?  For President Dole to 
 GP> personally authorize a
 GP> squad of APC's to your house to take your guns?
 
What we won and immediately let slip through our fingers was a perception 
that we held the power to elect or defeat candidates. Had we held onto that 
we wouldn't be in this situation now. Everyone has rationalized away the 
influence of the pro-rkba faction. Had they thought we still held the power 
they'd have never risked voting for that junk but they think we have 
abandoned them so their best chance now is to suck up to the "moderates".
 
 GP> If gunowners can't grow the balls to stop voting 
 GP> for anti-gunners, so there
 GP> isn't going to be any "victory down the road."  Notice that its always
 GP> "down the road," but just this last time, lets vote 
 GP> anti-gun again.  _This_
 GP> time its just so "important" that I have to vote anti-gun, again!
 GP> Meanwhile, what will we loose next?  An ammo ban?  
 GP> If you ever want to vote
 GP> for a pro-gun president, you had better do it now.  
 GP> There may not be any
 GP> more elections . . . .
 
You don't win elections by voting for impossible candidates. It changes 
nothing. If everyone here voted for Browne he'd still come in behind Perot.
 
Equally, you don't win converts to uour cause by shouting that they've got no 
balls if they disagree. All I have seen you do here is alienate people and 
insult them. Some way to build support.
 
Going by your plan of action we may as well stay home on election day. We're 
doomed no matter what. Just wrap the guns up for collection by the 
authorities when they come.
--- Maximus 2.01wb
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