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to: Randy
from: Rich
date: 2005-07-14 20:59:28
subject: Re: eeye`s irresponsible self-serving behavior

From: "Rich" 

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   You are confused.  SO does not require someone to provide =
instructions on how to commit a crime as eeye does in provding =
instructions on how to malware.

Rich
. =20
  "Randy"  wrote in message news:42d72baa{at}w3.nls.net...
  Why do you think Sarbanes-Oxley was passed?=20
    "Geo"  wrote in message
news:42d70ed8{at}w3.nls.net...
    the guys at eeye believe making exploits public knowledge lowers the =
value thus the cost that security companies can charge customers for = that
knowledge.

    Geo.
      "Rich"  wrote in message news:42d6d8ee$1{at}w3.nls.net...
         No.  I consider this irresponsible.   For all we know folks at =
eeye do too but greed trumps responsibility.

      Rich

        "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:42d6befe{at}w3.nls.net...
        So you consider this responsible behavior?

        Geo.
          "Rich"  wrote in message news:42d6a0c1$1{at}w3.nls.net...
             Where do you get this taboo nonsense?  Look at =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615A.html and =
http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615B.html.  These = are
among the simplest but by far not the only.  eeye appears to try to =
provide instructions to exploit in all of these.  If you are going to be =
in denial about this behavior of theirs then no wonder you are in denial =
about the damage they cause.

          Rich

            "Geo"  wrote in message =
news:42d696e9$1{at}w3.nls.net...


            But instead he want's evidence that the exploits eeye has =
discovered over
            the past year or so are dangerous, and since exploit code is =
now taboo that
            becomes quite difficult to prove doesn't it?


            Geo.


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   You are
confused.  SO =
does not=20
require someone to provide instructions on how to commit a crime as eeye = does in=20
provding instructions on how to malware.
 
Rich
.  
"Randy" <dev{at}null.org>">mailto:dev{at}null.org">dev{at}null.org> = wrote in=20 message news:42d72baa{at}w3.nls.net... Why do you think Sarbanes-Oxley was passed? =
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20 wrote in message news:42d70ed8{at}w3.nls.net... the guys at eeye believe making = exploits public=20 knowledge lowers the value thus the cost that security companies can = charge=20 customers for that knowledge. Geo.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42d6d8ee$1{at}w3.nls.net... No. I consider = this=20 irresponsible. For all we know folks at eeye do too = but greed=20 trumps responsibility. Rich
"Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>=20">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>=20 wrote in message news:42d6befe{at}w3.nls.net... So you consider this = responsible=20 behavior? Geo.
"Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42d6a0c1$1{at}w3.nls.net... Where do you get = this taboo=20 nonsense? Look at ht=">http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615A.html">ht= =20" target="new">tp://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615A.html=20 and ht=">http://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615B.html">ht= . =20" target="new">tp://www.eeye.com/html/research/advisories/AD20040615B.html. =20 These are among the simplest but by far not the only. = eeye=20 appears to try to provide instructions to exploit in all of=20 these. If you are going to be in denial about this = behavior of=20 theirs then no wonder you are in denial about the damage they=20 cause. Rich "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net> = wrote in=20 message news:42d696e9$1{at}w3.nls.net...But=20 instead he want's evidence that the exploits eeye has = discovered=20 overthe past year or so are dangerous, and since exploit = code is=20 now taboo thatbecomes quite difficult to prove doesn't=20 = it?Geo. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C588B6.ECB3D100-- --- BBBS/NT v4.01 Flag-5
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