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 "Silence =3D Death".=20
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  "Geo"  wrote in message
news:42d48383$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  It's not idol warship, it's respect.

  Geo.
    "Rich"  wrote in message news:42d36d9d{at}w3.nls.net...
       You really have the wrong idea about eeye.  They are in the =
protection racket.  They publish information and put out press releases =
putting you and the public at risk then try to sell you and others =
protection from the danger they put you in.  It should be obvious what = is
wrong with this.  You know about them because of how irresponsible = and
self-serving they are, well that and george's misplaced idol = worship. 
I've found more issues than they have and know others that = have as well. 
Their finds aren't even that interesting and generally = have all the
pizzazz of something found by an automated tool.

    Rich

      "John Beckett" 
wrote in =
message news:2tl6d1h3lb4nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61{at}4ax.com...
      "Rich"  wrote in message news::
      > I think you are making a false premise which is that if eeye was =
not
      > irresponsible and providing instructions or if people did not =
act
      > on those instructions then no one would fix bugs.

      Of course Microsoft would fix bugs. But when? With what priority?

      Who would have told Microsoft that IIS and IE etc had a bunch of
      vulnerabilities that needed patching, if it weren't for people =
like eeye?

      And what's wrong with eeye making money from their work? Most =
people
      (outside the KDE and Gnome camps) want standard software that =
works. That
      means we have Microsoft as the giant developer, and a bunch of =
ants
      picking up crumbs. Eeye is an ant feeding from the security bugs =
that it
      manages to find. If it weren't so embarassing in the short term, =
they
      should be paid a retainer by Microsoft.

      John

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 "Silence =3D
Death". 
 

  "Geo" <georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote=20
  in message news:42d48383$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  It's not idol warship, it's =
respect.
   
  Geo.
  

    "Rich" <{at}> wrote in message news:42d36d9d{at}w3.nls.net...
       You
really have the =
wrong idea=20
    about eeye.  They are in the protection racket.  They =
publish=20
    information and put out press releases putting you and the =
public=20
    at risk then try to sell you and others protection from the danger =
they put=20
    you in.  It should be obvious what is wrong with this.  =
You know=20
    about them because of how irresponsible and self-serving they are, =
well that=20
    and george's misplaced idol worship.  I've found more issues =
than they=20
    have and know others that have as well.  Their finds aren't =
even that=20
    interesting and generally have all the pizzazz of something =
found by an=20
    automated tool.
     
    Rich
     
    
      "John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname{at}com=">mailto:FirstnameSurname{at}compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname{at}com=
puserve.com.omit>=20
      wrote in message news:2tl6d1h3lb4=
nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61{at}4ax.com..."Rich"=20
      <{at}> wrote in message >=20
      I think you are making a false premise which is that if eeye was=20
      not> irresponsible and providing instructions or if people =
did not=20
      act> on those instructions then no one would fix =
bugs.Of=20
      course Microsoft would fix bugs. But when? With what =
priority?Who=20
      would have told Microsoft that IIS and IE etc had a bunch=20
      ofvulnerabilities that needed patching, if it weren't for =
people like=20
      eeye?And what's wrong with eeye making money from their =
work? Most=20
      people(outside the KDE and Gnome camps) want standard software =
that=20
      works. Thatmeans we have Microsoft as the giant developer, and =
a bunch=20
      of antspicking up crumbs. Eeye is an ant feeding from the =
security=20
      bugs that itmanages to find. If it weren't so embarassing in =
the short=20
      term, theyshould be paid a retainer by=20
    =
Microsoft.John<=
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