On 25/09/2019 19:22, Nick Andre -> David Drummond wrote:
 NA>>> After all, its just free speech, right? And I'm sure you wouldn't mind
hitting
 NA>>> the Next key thousands of times to skip all my crap?

 DD>> I'm sure we'd find a way to filter it - or just drop the echo.

 NA> Ahhhh but it appears that you mention whenever anyone complains about
trolls,
 NA> to just hit the Next key. "We" shouldn't have to filter anything?

Why not? It is your choice to be offended by the trolls' posts, just as it is
their choice to post them. Who are you to be telling them what they may or may
not post?

 NA> If above, pressing Next a thousand times would be annoying to you, and you
 NA> would consider filtering or dropping the echo, then logically it must mean
 NA> that at some point, mentally there is a "line" between what you consider
 NA> acceptable or not from an individual. Mellow as I know you are, there is
an
 NA> annoyance factor when pressing Next is no longer effective.

Indeed there is such a point that I choose not to read those posts. IS my
preference not to read more valid than their preference to post?

 NA> I'm trying to illustrate that Fido is a small enough network where there
does
 NA> not need to be trolls, or nannies enforcing rules.

That is your opinion. Others' may vary. And as yet I've not seen any nannies
enforcing any rules. The fact is that echo rules in Fidonet are not enforceable
- the "moderators" are but paper tigers.

 NA> We should be mature enough to co-exist and not have someone running a
"free speech" system, because
 NA> only to prove that he can, and where the sole output is trolling.

And we should also be mature enough to ignore shit we don't want to read.

 NA> I can "prove" I can usurp the Fidonews echo. Totally and thoroughly trash
it
 NA> and *nobody* will want to ever connect to it again. Do I need to prove it?
 NA> Many Sysops will likely tell me, "no". Why? Because I'm not a dick... I
 NA> respect my fellow Sysops enough that I do not need to prove Free Speech.

 NA> That is why the troll needs to go. Its not a free speech thing. Its a
you're
 NA> pissing off your fellow Sysops and tarnishing the enjoyment of Fido thing.

Is the troll not entitled to enjoyment too? You are only the "ghod" on your
system - not on mine, not on any nodes in Zone 2.

 NA> Many popular Internet social media or chat sites have clear policies
against
 NA> trolling, some ISP's have them as well. Why should Fido be any different?

Fidonet is not Internet Social Media. Each of those entire sites is managed by
one entity. Fidonet is NOT an entity - it is a technical agreement by a bunch
of individuals. We are all omnipotent - on our own systems only. You are free
to implement a "no trolls" edict on YOUR system. You don't have that power on
any others.

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Regards
David

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