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to: PAUL KARPINSKY
from: MATRIKA
date: 1997-11-16 15:35:00
subject: Re: drugs

re - teenagers and coffee shops - that has it's own danger.  I have a 
young friend who graduated from U.Mass. (Amherst) a couple of years 
back with an ulcer from too much coffee, including expressos and the 
really strong stuff.  Now she has trouble staying away from coffee, but
is so much calmer and more peaceful since she has that it's amazing to 
me.   It proves to me that if one is an addictive personality, any drug
or just about anything can become an addiction - even if one never 
picks up a drink in one's life.  I've met people who do it with work 
too - they work themselves to death or close to it.   An interesting 
observation to me is that all of the people I know come from an 
addictive family system - alcohol, gambling, drugs, whatever.   Another
interesting observation to me is that I've never seen any of these 
people with addictions, codependencies, or other issues seem to get any
help at all unless they sought it outside themselves, individually.  
I've noticed most people do best in a recovery fellowship of the 12 
steps variety or in other self-help groups, especially those with a 
spiritual (NOT necessarily religious) orientation to the group's 
approach.  
.
The difference between spiritual and religious I once heard described 
beautifully at an AA meetings as such: Religion is for people afraid of
going to hell, Spirituality is for those of us who have BEEN THERE and 
found a way out to share with others.   People often are spiritual in 
these programs without being necessarily religious, by the way.  This 
is done by some who may or may not consider God their "Higher Power" - 
a "Power" greater than one's self by which one can get the recovery 
they need.  For some, this is the recovery group they belong to or that
recovery fellowship as a whole, throughout the world, as here are a 
group of people doing what they alone could NOT ever do.   For some 
this is Mother Nature or the Earth, for some it is the universe, for 
some it is their own breathe, moving in and out, keeping each of them 
alive, maybe even in spite of themselves, individually, etc.   It can 
be whatever source of strength one can turn to and draw upon to find 
help.   
.
Again, this is my insight on this and does not express the opinions of 
AA or any other 12 step recovery fellowship, whatsoever.  It is only my
experience.
.
AND NO, I'm NOT saying that you shouldn't go to coffee shops, God 
forbid!  I do so myself. I'm just saying that, in my experience, if a 
person has a predisposition to addictive behavior it often seems to 
come out, one way or another, from what I've observed of human 
behavior.
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