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 GP> What's real is that Dole is anti-gun & if you vote for an
 GP> anti-gunner,  you are an anti-gunner, too.
 RW> Buzz.  Wrong answer.  Because I vote for a candidate
 RW> means neither that I believe in all he stands for nor
 RW> I'm what he is.  
None of that makes any difference.  Its your vote that counts, & an anti-
gunner gets it.  The net political effect is an anti-gun vote.  Your
argument might hold up if both candidates were strongly pro-gun & you were
trying to choose which one was just a little more pro-gun than the other. 
However, in our case we have 2 major party candidates that have been
breaking the law.  They have violated their oath of office.  And, they are
Fascists.  Casting your vote for either will aid us in losing our guns.
 RW> Sometimes it means that I'm doing the
 RW> best I can to keep the other guy from getting elected,
 RW> e.g. Bush vs Clinton, or the guy stands where I do on
 RW> most issues (or the main ones), e.g. John Tanner (D) my
 RW> US Rep.
Time after time . . . it's a loosers game.
 
 RW> in June of anyone one other then a democrat or
 RW> republican winning the Presidential election this
 
 GP> What does that have to do with who you want as president?
 RW> It has more to with who I DON'T want for President!  
To reap the fruits of your political power, you have to vote for somebody
you actually _want_ for president.  When you start "having" to vote for
somebody you don't like to keep someone else you like even less from
getting elected, someone else is playing _your_ vote.
 RW> If
 RW> the guy I want isn't going to win no matter what I do
 RW> then I vote for the one who has a chance who most
 RW> reflects my views.  
Does this most reflect your views?
"My view is the [assault weapon ban] is moot.  Just keep it.  
Keep the assault weapon ban." --  Bob Dole,  On Larry King Live 
(Friday, July 15) 
"What a Week -- Dole Supports `Instant' Gun Registration; 
Sides with Clinton in Veto of Gun Ban Repeal!
     --  by Gun Owners of America, Springfield, VA 
         (703)321-8585, fax: 321-8408
 RW> Why don't all the Buchanan and/or
 RW> Forbes and/or Gramm voters just write in their names
 RW> instead of voting for Dole?  Could it be because they
 RW> realize that Dole might not be as good as their guy but
 RW> he's a he** of a lot better then Clinton?
No, its becasue Buchanan, Gramm, Forbes, _told_ their supporters to vote
for Dole.  How many are going to do what they are told?
 
 RW> Even if every gun owner in the US voted for the same
 RW> 3rd party candidate he wouldn't come close.
 
 GP> You don't think 70 million votes would cut the muster?
 RW> Ok.  If you could get all 70 million to vote for one
 RW> guy then it might work.  
Yes, it would work.  All it would take would be for every gun owner to vote
for only pro-gun candidates, ones that _they_ want, for a change.  Ok, so
half stayed home.  That's still 35 million votes out there that should be
going to a pro-gun candidate, instead of voting anti-gun.  What if everyone
sent $20 to their campaigne effort?  $700,000,000
 RW> BTW is the 65-70 million
 RW> number the number of individual gun owners or the
 RW> number of guns owned?
No, the # of guns is supposedly in the 100-200 million range.  I can't
recall the count right now.
 
 GP> That's no dumber than saying "I'm going to vote for an
 GP> anti-gunner  so I can keep my guns . . . . . "
 RW> Never heard anyone say that.  Dole might not be really,
 RW> really pro gun but I would go as far as saying he's
 RW> anti gun.  For one thing I have never seen or heard him
 RW> say that he thought the American people shouldn't have
 RW> access to firearms.  As a matter of fact I have never
 RW> seen such a thing from any one in the republican party.
 RW> I have seen such things from democrats.
You've seen Reagan sign a machine manufacturing ban.  You've seen Bush ban
the importation of modern infantry rifles.  Now, Dole would veto a repeal
of the AW ban.  This rings loud & clear to me, that the Repubs are saying
the American people should not have access to firearms.
 RW> way.  Either you are voting to keep Clinton in office
 RW> or you are voting to elect Dole.  
 
 GP> Not me, friend . . . . I'm pro-gun so I'm voting for a
 GP> pro-gun president! 
 RW> That only means that Clinton margin of winning will be
 RW> bigger.  Then Sarah & Jim Brady will have more chances
 RW> to use the oval office to push for the COMPLETE banning
 RW> of handguns and everything else they want.  
No, you've missed a vital factor here.  Sen. Bob Dole _wrote_ the 
Brady Bill.  It was called the Dole/Metzenbaum Bill.  After Brady got shot,
Dole got Sarah to front for his bill.  Then when it finally passed last
year, it was Dole that rammed his own bill through.  
Figuring that Sarah Brady has more influence over Klinton than Dole is a
faulty assumption.  In fact, Sarah is just a pawn working for Dole/Klinton. 
She does not have influence over any of them.  I'll bet you five bucks that
Sarah votes for Dole, she's been in tight with him for a long while!
 RW> If Clinton
 RW> wins and the next gun control law is signed by him I
 RW> don't want to hear you bit** because you help elect
 RW> him.
And I didn't bitch at myself when Bush banned imported infantry rifles or
when he supported the Brady Bill . . . . because I didn't vote for him.
 
 RW> If you vote for and support someone
 RW> other then Dole and Clinton wins then you effectively
 RW> voted FOR Clinton.  
If you vote for either one, you've effectively voted anti-gun!
 
 GP> If you vote for & support someone other than a pro-gunner, 
 GP> the you are ANTI-GUN.
 RW> That is an illogical statement.  If I vote for and
 RW> support a democrat am I therefore a democrat?  
If you do it on an ongoing basis, election after election, then why not
just call yourself a democrat?
 RW> What am
 RW> I if I vote for and support members of both parties?
That depends on whether those members are truely pro-gun, or not.
 
 RW> Think about who is on Bill's side;  the Brady's, 
 
 GP> The Bradys are Republicans, remember?  Sarah will be voting 
 GP> for Dole . . . right along-side you . . . . . . . .
 RW> Yeah right.  And she will work to make getting a CCW
 RW> easier and she'll be there when we push to have them
 RW> included in the full faith and credit clause in Article
 RW> IV Section 1 of the Constitution.  I can just see her
 RW> in the booth pulling the lever for Bush in '92.
Sarah has been fronting for Dole's waiting period bill since '82.  Her
husband worked for Ronald Reagan.  When did The Brady Bunch switch to
Democrat?
 
 RW> I agree the choice is like being deciding if you want
 RW> to be shot in the stomach or in the brain.
 
 GP> You can decide not to get shot at all, & kick the ass of the
 GP> person trying. 
 RW> No, because there is no viable third option.  
There is a third option.  You have just been standing against it so it
can't become viable.  Somebody's going to have to stand with true pro-gun
candidates unless you want to have your guns taken from you.
If not you . . . . then who?  If not now, then when?
... What candidate or party can stand against 70 million united gun owners
--- Blue Wave v2.12 [NR]
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