lsend...{at}hotmail.com wrote:
> MaxSterling wrote:
> > What is the Biblical evidence for this doctrine? It looks as if I
> have
> > to jump through some hoops to come to this conclusion, yet this is
> > what I have been taught most of my Christian life.
> >
> > Any thoughts would be appriciated.
> >
> Well, Kevin, you're going to get both barrels from both camps.  I'm
of
> the OSAS camp.
>
> In the OT Job asked, "How can a man be in the right before God?"  In
> the NT, the young ruler asked Christ, "What shall I do to obtain
> eternal life?"  The Philipian jailor asked in terror, "What must I do
> to be saved?"
>
> It all depends how one answers this question that you will find an
> answer to your question.    But the teaching of the NT seems to be
> quite uncomplicated on both accounts.  A simple word check will get
you
> at least 100 hits that faith in Christ is the means by which a sinner
> is forgiven and received by God.  The last words of Christ,
> specifically, tetelestai, or "It is finished."  The Greek word was
used
> in the market place to indicate a close of a transaction, like "Paid
in
> full" written across the bill.  The point being that Christ's death
was
> sufficient, totally sufficient to pay the sin dept.  Nothing further
> need be added.
>
> Now there are two implications following this.  One, we are not saved
> by our own effort.  The debt was paid by Christ's cross work.  That
it
> was paid in full puts a period at the end of the sentence.    For if
> Christ paid the full and final price then there is no further need of
> payment or merit on our part.
>
> Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not
> of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
> Eph. 2:9 not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
>
> Those who both think that one must add good works to their salvation
> and the logical result that if one isn't totally faithful to the end
in
> good work production,  naturally believe that one can lose what was
> gracefully given.
>
> I'll say it out right.  The question is asked by those who think that
> some sort of works must be added to their salvation,  i.e. Christ
only
> made the down payment and it is up to us to keep up the payments,
that
> if one doesn't continue in good works then are you saying that such a
> person is still promised eternal life.  And to that I answer, YES!
>
> But I would immediately add that we must not overlook the fact that
the
> change God brings about as the result of faith is so radical that our
> desires are changed.  Sure, we will still sin, but we no longer sin
> without the consciousness of the inward prompting and grieving of the
> Spirit.  God moves in the lives of those who have been saved
> (justification) and begins the process (sanctification) of renovation
> and spiritual growth.

(apologies for butting into an argment that has been going on here for
years and all of which I have not followed)

There is also Biblical evidence that God kills those who are saved who
sin too much (those in the church who have "fallen asleep" due to their
behaviors, like in Corinthians), which would imply that their spirits
are saved despite their bodies.

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