zach wrote:

> Bart Goddard wrote:
>> wrote:

>> It should be clear that it is a flat contradiction when you
>> assert:
>>
>> 1.  Faith needs an object in order to exist.
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2.  Faith is self-existant, so that it need no object,
>>    but when one finds a worthy object, one has a pile
>>    of faith (which up to now has no object) which he
>>    can now place into that worthy object.
>>
>> On one hand you say that a person can't just have
>> a disembodied "trust", but must, instead "trust
>> something".  On the other hand, you talk as if a
>> person had a handful of "trust" which he can
>> place hither and thither as the mood strikes him.
>>
>> Now _that's_ illogical.
>
> John 12:11, illogical? John 2:11, John 11:45, Romans 3:26, Galatians
> 2:16, Galatians 3:22, Ephesians 1:15, Ephesians 3:12, and more... all
> wrong? I merely quoted "put one's faith in Christ," which I thought
> was just quoting the Bible, and you jumped all over me for being
> "illogical", can you explain?

Can I explain?  I just did.  To hold the two numbered statements
above as simultaneously true is a contradiction.  A contradiction
is a statement which is always false.  To hold that a contradiction
is true is illogical.

Second, I didn't jump all over _you_, but on Loren, who
tried to accuse me of illogic _first.

Bart

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