mcculloch@mail.utexas.edu (Jim McCulloch) wrote:

>In article , csmkersh@flash.net (Sam A.
>Kersh) wrote:

>> Oh, Jim, unlike you, I've read both the INSIGHT  article and
>> NCJ-165476...  
>
>I that case, Sam, although it saddens me, I have to say you were being
>deliberately dishonest, trying to pawn off a quote as supporting Kleck's,
>position, when in fact it you knew very well that the quote in question
>was an integral part of a presentation of evidence that Kleck's
>methodology is fatally flawed.

Now you've exposed yourself to be just what I've suspected for months; a
liar who is unable to deal honestly with the facts...  So sad.   

No, Cook presented no evidence that either his or Kleck's work was
flawed.  He presented supposition there MIGHT  be a problem with false
positives but failed to address the far more likely problem of false
negatives. 

 If you would like, I can provide you with the entire NSPOF study as
published by the Department of Justice.  What this study showed was that
by using the most modern survey techniques available, Cook and Ludwig
estimated a range of DGUs that far exceeded anything Kleck had reported.
This forced Cook & Ludwig to take another, more objective look at
Kleck's work.  According to Cook & Ludwig:

	"A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is
	shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the
	application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz
	to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses..."

It's truly ashame that antis like Cook and Wolfgang can be
intellectually honest and you can't, Jim.  That's not an insult nor an
ad hominem, just an honest appraisal of your position when compared to
Cook, Ludwig and Wolfgang.




Sam A. Kersh
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