20 Apr 09 08:42, Roger Nelson wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>> I got a ticket in 1999 for failure to stop at a stop sign. My first
 RW>> ticket
 RW>> since the three speeding tickets I got in 1980. That cop and I went
 RW>> round and round on the spot, he claimed that I didn't stop at the
 RW>> 'limit line' and I said I couldn't see a limit line from where I was
 RW>> sitting. I had come to a stop behind a car that had no brakes and I
 RW>> really couldn't see the limit line. I took photogramphic proof to
 RW>> the court and proved that I couldn't see the limit line, but the cop
 RW>> lied and said that I had stopped further back than I actually had
 RW>> and the judge sided with the cop.

 RN> Did you do a "California stop"?  Anway, in that particular case you
 RN> were in a no-win situation.

No...I stayed where I had stopped and then proceeded. I couldn't see the
'limit line' and so there was no way I could move forward and stop again
without over/under estimating where it actually was. My arguement was that
the statute doesn't specify how close or how far and how long one has to
'stop' at the limit line. Since I was within 3 feet of it, I didn't need
to stop twice at the same stop sign. Had he not lied saying that I didn't
stop at all, was the kicker.

                R\%/itt




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