"Paul Barnett"  wrote:

>Sam A. Kersh wrote in message ...
>
>>You believe the NCVS WAGs???  Why?   They are based on responses from
>>45,400 households and about 94,000 individuals age 12 and over(1).  This
>>guesstimate is out of step with at least 13 other surveys including a
>>DoJ study done by Cook & Ludwig.  Even Cook & Ludwig admits that the
>>NCVS is set up so that most respondents are never given an opportunity
>>to respond to DGUs.
>
>
>Kleck analyzes the problems with the NCVS in the article Jim loves to hate,
>along with about a dozen other surveys that have been done over the years.
>His research was specifically designed to address those errors.  Kleck also
>devotes extensive discussion to factors that might have affected the
>accuracy of his results, and the measures he took to minimize them.
>
>Even Marvin Wolfgang (one of the preeminient anti-gun criminologists)
>admitted in a response (published following Kleck's article in the same
>journal) that he couldn't fault Kleck's methodology, even though he didn't
>like the results.
>
>It was a rare moment of honest and candor from his side of the aisle.  It
>would be too much to expect the same from Jim.

Lurkers:

The article in question is Kleck's and Gertz' "Armed Resistance to
Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," The
Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University, Vol
86, No. 1, Fall 1995.  In this same publication, anti-gun researcher
Marvin Wolfgang said the following:


	"What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Mark Gertz (who)
	 have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound
	 research in support of something I have theoretetically opposed
	 for years.

	"Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in
	 which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime?  It is
	 hard to believe. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun
	 can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology.  They have
	 tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done
	 exceedingly well."

	Dr. Marvin E. Wolfgang
	The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology
	Northwestern University, Vol 86, No. 1, Fall 1995, page 188

 
Sam A. Kersh
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talk.politics.guns' resident hypocrite admits to using a gun 
by proxy

     "So for me and my family, all we need for protection
against crime is some basic knowledge of where not to
travel, and how to travel there if we have to.  For
instance, I've had to go into the Cabrini and Taylor Homes
in Chicago a number of times, but because they are
high-crime areas, I go in daylight, to meet someone I know,
with a bodyguard."

Robert L. Ray aka kira@interaccess.com