-> On 11 Apr 09  06:07:56, EARL CROASMUN got back to Ceppa 
-> Re: HolySmoke Is Unholy

 ~>  GD>Are you Steve Asher?  
 ~>  GD>Which name is your real name?  
 ~>  JB> Is that an issue ?  
 
 ~> Of course it's an issue.  If he isn't Steve Asher, he's making a false 
 ~> claim.  

 EC> You sure are funny when you think your little pea-brain has actually
 EC> clicked onto something!

 EC> http://fidonet.ozzmosis.com/echomail/edge_online/f16b3259e87586e4.html

Nice try, Earl.  Too bad you didn't tell the full story, as is typical 
of you.  


The full story is this: Snyder apparently started the Echo as 
he said.  But, he let the Echo lapse.  Exactly when that occurred, I don't 
know.  What I do know is that the, first time I ran into it's name was when 
Asher was trting to get it E-listed.  It Querella that set up the 
Echo for Asher. Whether the Echo was actually rescued or just re-listed 
after lapsing is besides the point.  

Asher is the owner of EDGE_ONLINE.  Snyder may have started it, but 
he has no claim to ownship of it at all anymore.  

----------------------------
> From: Steve Asher
> To: Jeff Snyder
> Date: 2009-04-01 02:39:22
> Subject: Is This Echo The One That I Started?
 
>  JS> If this is indeed the same EDGE_ONLINE echo that I began back in
>  JS> the nineties, you are welcome to continue moderating it if you
>  JS> wish, but it would be nice if it would swing back around to the
>  JS> topics for which I originally designed it.
 
> I "inherited" it from the previous Moderator, Steve Quarrella, who
> moderated it about 10 years ago. Steve's "rules" were quite different
> from mine (which are simply themes more than rules).
 
> Cheers, Steve..
===========================

Quarella only listed it for Asher.  Q was never the moderator of 
that Echo. That, though, may not be reflected in earlier E-listings. At 
one point, the lister of the Echo had to also be the moderator.  One 
could not list an Echo for another person.  

==========================

>From: Jeff Snyder
>To: Steve Asher
>Date: 2009-04-01 14:57:00
>Subject: Re: Is This Echo The One That I Started?

>On 04/01/09, Jeff Snyder quoted Steve Asher: Is This Echo The One That
>I Started?.

>SA> I "inherited" it from the previous Moderator, Steve
Quarrella, who
>SA> moderated it about 10 years ago. Steve's "rules" were
>SA>quite different from
>SA> mine (which are simply themes more than rules).


>Hello again Steve. That name Steve Quarrella rings a bell, and given the
>timeframe that we are talking about, I am pretty much convinced that this is
>the same echo that I started. Steve probably took it over after I left. As I
>recall, I was getting blasted a lot from the HOLYSMOKE people, who were just
>coming over to my echo to harass me. After that, we moved to a new home, the
>Internet blossomed, and I simply moved on to other things. But as I said
>earlier, it is interesting to see that the echo is still listed, and under 
>new management, after so many years.

>It is sad though to see that there hasn't been any activity here lately.

====================

Snyder himself notes that he let the Echo listing lapse.  

The first time I ever heard of that Echo is when Asher asked Querella to 
help Asher list it for him.  Q updated that listing for what might be 
years before Asher was able to do it on his own. 

BTW, Asher is famous for his pre-banning of people even before he had the Echo 
listed and running.  That, of course, grabbed a lot of attention that he 
didn't want.  

Most posted there to tweak his nose.  A few hung around for their 
banning papers to be officially given.  Many were offended that they 
were not pre-banned.  

Unfortunately, the Archive you found does not go back before c 2002.  At 
the same time, you won't find any messages except for just recently from 
Snyder.  In fact, most of the messages are Asher talking to himself.  

Here is the November 1999 Elisting:  

---------


EDGE_ONLINE         
     End Times - Mystery Babylon and the Beast 666                         
           As the year 2000 approaches, certain religions of various
          flavours are working towards a new religion, or "Global
          Ethic", recognising a need for unity as a means of solving
          humanity's many problems, such as war, poverty, hunger,
          pollution etc. This is not in itself bad, but is leading
          to the fulfilment of prophecies concerning the rise of a
          false religious system, described as "Mystery, Babylon the
          Great", in Revelation 17. Rising with the false religious
          system is a false Christ (Messiah), known as the Antichrist,
          or Beast 666, and with him a false prophet, who will cause
          all to worship the Beast 666 or to be killed. All trade
          will be conducted by means of a mark applied to the right
          hand or forehead, with those who refuse to take the mark
          or to worship the Beast 666 being killed. This echo is to
          investigate, to the extent possible, the rise of the false
          religious system, and the system which is emerging for the
          numbering of people with a unique                      
          Status: Active  
     Origin:       3:800/432                         Group: FIDO 
     Distribution: NAB, WWB, Z1B                                          
     Gateways:                                                            
     Language:                              
     # Nodes: N/A          Volume: N/A          Rules:               
     Flags:
     Notes:                                                                
     Moderators:   Steve Asher, 3:800/432, xaragmata{at}picknowl.com.au
     Last changed: 24-Aug-1999 by Steve Asher, 3:800/432 
-------------------

That's the earliest Elist I've located.  Perhaps Cassell has a deeper 
archived copy.  

The bottom line is this:  You don't know what you are talking about.  



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