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echo: fidonews
to: DAVID DRUMMOND
from: DAN CLOUGH
date: 2019-04-04 07:58:00
subject: Re: Taking P4 seriously?

-=> David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

 DD>>> What would the IC's role be?

 DC>> That is clearly defined in P4.

 DD>> Only if one has a copy to hand - or do you have the entire
 DD>> document memorised?

 DC> Your logic is quite flawed.  Whether one has a copy at hand or not
 DC> does not change the fact that the IC's role is clearly defined in
 DC> P4, which is what I said.

 DD> And if one does not have a copy to hand nor has the document
 DD> memorised then how does one know the documented role?

That's a seperate question that was not the topic of discussion.  
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem, so I'll try to 
lay it out more simply for you:

What you claimed (right there above, since I didn't Bjorn-snip it 
out), is that the IC's role is only defined in P4 *IF* one has a copy
of P4 at hand.  That is false.  The IC's role is clearly defined 
in P4 *WHETHER* *OR* *NOT* you have a copy of P4 at hand.  See?

 DD> If a tree falls over in the forest and no-one witnesses it, did
 DD> it make a noise.

Irrelevant diversion attempt noted... the answer is "yes".

 DC> Read what somebody *SAYS*, not what you
 DC> think they said, or what helps you twist things up to make a
 DC> point.

 DD> You would well benefit from the same advice.

Could you please point out where I have mis-read what you've said?

 DC> Another clue that you missed was where Bjorn even stated where the
 DC> IC role is discussed in P4 (even though he got the section wrong).

 DD> Read it again = he did have it right.

Nope.  Section 8.1 that he references describes how a Policy 
change might be initiated.

The *ROLE* of the IC, which is what this whole thread is about 
(regardless of the diversion attempts), is described in Section 7.

You're welcome.



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