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to: DAVID R. NORTON
from: LYLE KNOX
date: 1996-08-08 09:19:00
subject: RE: KICKED OUT OF DENNY`

LK>> Oh, if I'm asked to leave I'll comply, even politely.  Once
LK>> they ask you leave, and you =do=, what can they do to you? You
LK>> obeyed them and are no longer trespassing.
 DRN> That should work, but if they want to be total jerks, they
 DRN> could call the police and ask to have you arrested if you
 DRN> walk past the sign!  I can't imagine that could *ever*
 DRN> happen, any store I've ever heard of would ask you to
 DRN> "please read the sign and comply."
It'd have to be a pretty dippy officer that'd do that to someone, even if the
shopkeeper were insistant.  They're out there, I guess, but the chances are
pretty small that the two'd get together.  :-)
LK>> You might want to inform the "uncomfortable" customer that they're
LK>> statistically in better hands that if a cop was there.  About 10% le
LK>> to be shot by mistake and any crimes are about 10% more likely to be
LK>> by an armed civilian than by cops.
 DRN> In the first place, neither you or I would ever get to
 DRN> talk to the uncomfortable customer, they would merely
 DRN> leave quietly without buying anything and tell all their
 DRN> stupid friends "Oh, don't go there, there was a bad man
 DRN> with a gun in that store!"  So you lose business with NO
 DRN> chance of rebuttal.
I suppose it'd all depend on whether the customer was "uncomfortable" enough
to actually say something to a store employee.  I think that most people
would be smart enough that if they =were= going to say something they'd run
like a coward so they wouldn't have to face the person carrying.  I know that
I'm much more vocal about things that torque my bolts when I go into a place
of business and I think that a lot of other people are, too.  :-)
 DRN> In the second place, many people today are brought up
 DRN> believing "guns are evil, guns cause crime, only criminals
 DRN> have guns."  You'd be wasting your breath.  Years ago, I
 DRN> met a man who moved to Arizona from another state who was
 DRN> trained from birth to believe anyone with a gun was a
 DRN> criminal, a mafia guy, because they were the only ones who
 DRN> had guns and honest citizens *never* had guns.  He was an
 DRN> intelligent person so it took him only a few weeks to
 DRN> realize all he'd been taught was wrong but had he never
 DRN> left the place of his birth (I won't name it but the
 DRN> initials are NYC) his thinking would have never changed.
This only goes to prove that what a lot of people say, that taking a
non-shooter out to the range converts just as many, if not more, than do
words.  You hear this all the time.  I think the one thing that really does
it is when they get there and see the discipline on the firing line,
especially during a competition or busy public session, that a good range
master demands.
        Lyle    --INTERNET:  lyle.knox@iotp.com
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