On Sun, 1 Jul 2018 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC)
Martin Gregorie  wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Jul 2018 15:43:46 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
> >  Oh yes and C++ is a godawful mess of a language as a direct
> > result of trying to be C with objects and winding up neither fish nor
> > fowl. Templating did nothing to make it less of a mess IMHO.
> >
> Couldn't agree more - especially as the majority of the C++ I've looked
> at didn't have a single object or class declaration in sight: it was
> nothing but C with // comments and using cin/cout/cerr  in place of stdin/
> stdout/stderr.

 The second worst way to use C++, the worst is when you mix objects
and iterators with structs and pointers in the same code.

> > I wish D had caught on.
> >
> Never seen it, but I way back in the late 70s I had more than a slight

 It's C extended to an OO language *without* any attempt at being
backwards compatible. It can be about an order of magnitude more readable
than good C++ IMHO.

> acquaintance with Algol 68 - actually Algol68R run on the George 3 OS -
> which I really liked as a concise and expressive language. Not OO but

 I met Algol 68C at Cambridge, it had a lot going for it but I
actually preferred writing in BCPL. I doubt that would be true now, I've
lost my taste for making my own nuts and bolts before designing a car.

> with several of the OO concepts (operator overloading, mode extensions)
> very nicely implemented.

 Indeed.

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