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echo: askacop
to: RYAN BAGUEROS
from: BOB RUDOLPH
date: 1998-04-17 09:32:00
subject: Re: STREET PEOPLE

 RB> No, I want fair compensation for the labor that I do ... 
What's "FAIR?"
 RB>                                                    let me provide an 
 RB> example for you. I used to do construction for someone who inherited a 
 RB> bunch of
 RB> tools/equipment from their uncle or something. It was a roofing and 
 RB> siding crew
 RB> doing re-sides (that is, not new work on new homes). 
 RB> So, we would go out to a site, it would be me and two other workers, and 
 RB> the 
 RB> boss. He would be on his cell-phone, or sitting in the truck, basically 
 RB> all day
 RB> while we did the work. And doing re-sides is not easy work, you have the 
 RB> tear-off, and the heights, and rusty nails flying at your head, etc. Me 
 RB> and my 
 RB> friend made $6/hr, and the other guy there made $8/hr. We could finish 
 RB> one job 
 RB> every two days, on average. A siding job would cost the homeowner 
upwards 
 RB> around $2000+, depending on how big the house ways, how many angles 
there 
 RB> were,
 RB> etc. In those two days, assuming we worked 8 hours each day, me and my 
 RB> friend 
 RB> made $96, and the other guy made $128 (before taxes). After cost of 
 RB> supplies 
 RB> and labor, the boss would make around $1200-2000. For each job. 
HE hustled the work.  HEW supplied the tools (source not interesting - he had 
them, you didn't, and you weren't interested in getting them).  You made the 
choice to work for him - if you wanna scream asshole at someone, go and look 
in a mirror!
 RB> So, basically, its as if we all got together and decided to side some 
 RB> houses. 
No, it isn't - it's more as if a guy had the tools, and knew of the jobs, and 
you agreed to work for him for a certain rate.  CHOICES again. YOU agreed to 
the rate - if you think it isn't enough, that isn't HIS fault, it's YOURS for 
agreeing to his terms.
...
 RB> takes home nearly all the money from the job, and the guys who did the 
 RB> work take home only a small fraction of the money from the job.
You need him - if you didn't, you'd go out and hustle those jobs yourself, 
and 
keep most of the money yourself, paying YOUR day laborers as little as they'd 
take.
 RB> We didn't need the boss to tell us what to do, or how to do it, we just 
 RB> needed 
 RB> his ladders, etc. So because he was lucky enough to come into around 
 RB> $10000+ 
 RB> worth of tools (already a good thing), he gets to become the boss and 
rip 
 RB> off  everyone else's labor. 
No - he has the tools, and you don't.  He finds the jobs, and you don't.
 RB> Now that's just an example. This is the same relationship occurring in a 
 RB> macro 
 RB> sense everywhere. The boss - for whatever reason - has a monopoly on 
what 
 RB> you 
 RB> need, the higher you go, the more inheritance and privilege come into 
 RB> play. 
CRAP CRAP CRAP - where do you get 'the boss has a monopoly on what you need?' 
All the guy that you describe has is two things - tools, and the drive to go 
out and find the jobs.  It sounds more to me like you're jealous of his good 
fortune to have inherited the tools he needed.  Well, EVERYONE didn't inherit 
those tools, at some point SOMEONE had to take a risk and buy them.  If you 
want to do that work, go out and hustle enough jobs to buy the tools, buy 
them 
on credit and pay them off - then you can keep ALL the money.
What's that you say - hustling jobs doesn't guarantee you'll get them, but 
the 
creditors will want paid anyhow - guess what, that's nothing new.
NOBODY puts a gun to your head and makes you do that work.  NOBODY except for 
you yourself makes you accept that wage - you CHOOSE to accept it.
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