MR> -> whip manufacturers, etc. Unions demanded an unreasonable wage and the
 MR> -> started
 MR> -> cutting into profits - when there was plenty of profit, management
 MR> .
 MR> I find your responce that Unions demand unreasonable wages quite
 MR> arrogant, if UPS had its way all the 'bottom' people that make it
 MR> possable for the company to funtion would be working 60 hours a week
 MR> for 5.15 an hour an no health benifits, and air line pilots would work
 MR> completely unreasbleable shifts.
You didn't read far enough - I made it a point that management's caving in 
rather than negotiating made things too high priced.  Airline pilots are 
regulated, not by unions but by law.  As for your contention about UPS, I am 
not in a position to know - but if folks agree to work for the wage, it's 
their fault - nobody puts a gun to their heads.  I have worked in more than 
one union organization, and without exception the result was decreased 
productivity, decreased pay (those union folks gotta get paid from somewhere 
and guess what it comes from...) and a complete loss of motivation to excel 
on 
the part of the employees who knew that no matter how hard they busted their 
asses, they'd get no more than the dope that just stroked the minimum effort.
 
 MR>                                 So what if a few top executives have
 MR> to sell one of their 3 Ferraris, or they had or they couldnt afford
 MR> that 600,000,000 dollar house in France and still keep they're other 3
 MR> houses in the Us, Switzerland, and the bahamas.
How many executives do you know personally that fit what you outline above?
 
 MR                                                 At least the rest of
 MR> the people that make the whole company work would be able to support
 MR> their familys and have health benifits.
I do my own negotiating for wages - I don't need someone else to do it for 
me, 
and I don't need to have my bargaining diluted by a horde of folks that know 
that they can't be fired. 
 
 MR>                                        I personnaly dont work for any
 MR> wage job, i'm am salaried, but i know several people that do, and being
 MR> in a company that folks in the top are alot better off and being so
 MR> high up seems to make it hard to see common sense and basic reasoning.
The folks that high up aren't making those day to day decisions - it';s the 
next level of management.  The guy at the top doesn't concern himself with 
that level of detail.  
I've been salaried for years - haven't made a nickel in overtime since 1970 - 
and I work until the job is done, not until I hit 40 hours.  If I am stupid 
enough to commit to doing something that takes me 80 hours and has a deadline 
in ten days, then the lumps I take for my errors are the long hours.
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